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Old 05-06-2008, 14:39   #81
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CCI Brass Question - I'll ask here first

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1. I picked up some CCI brass at a range in Des Moines over the weekend. (Not my regular place to shoot.) A bunch of it is CCI headstamps with silver primers. It looks good. My usual method of sorting includes segregating the once fired cases - I can tell the WIN and the Federal by the gold primer color - so here is the question since I've not bought any CCI factory stuff for a ling time---

2. Factory CCI .40 S&W has what color primers????

3. Another comment - the primers showed a raised donut around the pin strike, but wasn't flattened at the edges as I understand pressure signs to look. More like a hard firing pin hit or soft primer metal.

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Old 05-06-2008, 15:18   #82
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Howdy All,

1. I picked up some CCI brass at a range in Des Moines over the weekend. (Not my regular place to shoot.) A bunch of it is CCI headstamps with silver primers. It looks good. My usual method of sorting includes segregating the once fired cases - I can tell the WIN and the Federal by the gold primer color - so here is the question since I've not bought any CCI factory stuff for a ling time---

2. Factory CCI .40 S&W has what color primers????

3. Another comment - the primers showed a raised donut around the pin strike, but wasn't flattened at the edges as I understand pressure signs to look. More like a hard firing pin hit or soft primer metal.

Thanks,

ML27
Sounds like Blazer Brass. CCI primers are still nickel-plated, as far as I know (as is Federal; Winchester is not, haven't seen any Remington lately).

A slightly over-length firing pin, heavy spring or lube in the chamber could cause cratering without excessive pressure.
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Old 05-14-2008, 22:03   #83
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I have used Winchester, Remington, Starline, Blazer Brass, Speer and Federal with good success in 9mm. 45 ACP, .38 special and .357 mag.

I have used S&B in .45 ACP and .357 mag. with good success. The pockets were tighter but didn't pose a problem. I don't think I've been as successful with 9mm S&B brass.

I prefer Remington, Winchester and Lake City for .223 brass. I recycle the Federal and anything else. Lake City is top notch.
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Old 05-15-2008, 05:35   #84
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What about WCC 90 .38 Special brass? Bought some from a forum member, never seen it before. Primers looked crimped but not sealed. The military isn't still using .38 spl are they?
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:01   #85
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What about WCC 90 .38 Special brass? Bought some from a forum member, never seen it before. Primers looked crimped but not sealed. The military isn't still using .38 spl are they?
I don't know if the mil is still using .38 SPL anymore, but I've found all the WCC brass to be excellent.
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Old 05-15-2008, 06:34   #86
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pass on magtech

magtech 38 special brass had split side after 3 reloading using 148 LWC target loads. seems to be very brittle. This was 3-4 rounds per 50.
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Old 05-15-2008, 18:16   #87
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Recently I had a bulge in the CCI brass after seating the bullet. It didn't fit the case gage. Now I throw CCI brass away.
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Old 05-15-2008, 18:19   #88
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Recently I had a bulge in the CCI brass after seating the bullet. It didn't fit the case gage. Now I throw CCI brass away.
What caliber? I haven't had any trouble with CCI brass in 9mm and .45 ACP.
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Old 05-15-2008, 21:19   #89
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Old 05-20-2008, 16:46   #90
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I have some 45ACP with a WW headstamp, I believe it is a version of winchester.
Is there any difference between nickel plated brass and brass without the nickel plating?
I noticed that the few 45 ACP +P brass I have found are nickel plated.
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Old 05-20-2008, 17:33   #91
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Nickel played brass tends to be more brittle & can usually be reloaded fewer times before cracking than non-plated brass.
Also, grit can get embedded in the plating, scratching your dies.

Personally, I avoid it.

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Old 05-22-2008, 20:22   #92
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What about Remington UMC for 45 ACP? Elsewhere, some have said you can't reload it, but I can't find a consensus.
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Old 05-22-2008, 20:36   #93
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If someone can't reload Rem-UMC brass, they probably can't walk & chew gum at the same time either....
I personally prefer Win. brass in .45ACP, but Rem. is excellent also.

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Old 05-25-2008, 20:19   #94
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Agree completely about AMERC - total junk.

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Had a friend who regularly reloaded Wolf .45ACP steel cases. (He modified the rims somehow and shot the reloads in his .455 Webley.) I found some of the casings after he shot and asked him about them. Said he reloaded them 3 to 4 times with no more problems than with brass except they required a little more force, than brass, to resize in his carbide dies.

I tried reloading them after that and found they worked O.K.. I made up a few hundred to use at ranges where I couldn't recover the cases. I don't use them now as I have all the brass pickups I need. I do occasionally save .45 Wolf if I find a bunch of fresh ones with no rust. I tumble them and store them for a "rainy day" when brass cases may be difficult to get. (Another advantage of steel cases is that they're easy to recover with a magnet.)

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A year or so ago I bought a used Tec 9. I took it to the range and it blew up on the first round. I was shooting Winchester white box. I found a copy of the Tec-9 owner's manual on the Web. It said not to use Winchester ammo in the Tec 9 as the Winchester brass is too thin. I wouldn't have believed that, except for my experience.
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Old 05-25-2008, 20:38   #95
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What caliber? I haven't had any trouble with CCI brass in 9mm and .45 ACP.
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Old 05-25-2008, 22:43   #96
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hyper-glock, I find reason to think that the problem was FAR more to do with the Tec-9 than the Win. ammo.
"Real" guns seem to work just fine on it.
Perhaps you should have taken the matter up with the people who built the Tec-9, using the services of a good product-liability lawyer. He could have probably gotten a tech person from Win. to testify on your behalf.
NOBODY hates lawyers more than myself, but it seems that this time one would have been useful !

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Winchester makes NATO spec 9mm ammo, also loaded the "+P+" for the IL State Police for many years. Would the Tec-9 folks consider ammo meeting those specs to be "defective" also ?

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Old 05-26-2008, 02:02   #97
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Originally Posted by ShaneS
What caliber? I haven't had any trouble with CCI brass in 9mm and .45 ACP.

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.40 S&W
yea, I shot some .40 S&W factory ammo from CCI, I think it was the blazer brand, but in the brass cases. It seems like it's a tad thinner than normal brass. Most of my shells come out with a little bulge from the glock, but I measured the stuff from CCI, even with light reloads, these expanded more than reloades using magtec brass.
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Old 05-26-2008, 18:16   #98
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The people who built the Tec-9 have been out of business for quite a while. I wasn't hurt and the dealer who sold me the gun reimbursed me for my loss. It seems like Winchester would have taken exception to the publication of the notice about its ammo in the manual. Also, what would be the motivation of the Tec-9 people in publishing this, if there weren't a problem? (Maybe it was true at the time and has since been corrected.)


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hyper-glock, I find reason to think that the problem was FAR more to do with the Tec-9 than the Win. ammo.
"Real" guns seem to work just fine on it.
Perhaps you should have taken the matter up with the people who built the Tec-9, using the services of a good product-liability lawyer. He could have probably gotten a tech person from Win. to testify on your behalf.
NOBODY hates lawyers more than myself, but it seems that this time one would have been useful !

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Winchester makes NATO spec 9mm ammo, also loaded the "+P+" for the IL State Police for many years. Would the Tec-9 folks consider ammo meeting those specs to be "defective" also ?
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Old 05-26-2008, 20:15   #99
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Maybe there's a reason they're out of business !

Glad to hear the dealer stood behind it....sounds like someone who should get your business again since he was so upright about it.
I've been loading for over 30 yrs. and had never heard a complaint about Win. brass in ANY caliber; All of my personal .45ACP & my "serious" .44 Mag ammo get loaded in Win. exclusivly.
Also glad to hear you wern't hurt in the incident.

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Old 05-26-2008, 21:41   #100
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I just loaded my first batch of .38 Special rounds using PPU headstamped (Prvi Partizan) once fired brass. It worked great and seemed very strong compared to a lot of other brands.

Incidentally, I could not get a decent crimp on several R-P (Remington) cases (using Lee deluxe pistol dies and FCD). They worked fine on everything else. I did a bit of reading and it seems many people have had similar issues with R-P brass. Apparently they are somewhat thin-walled and can make it difficult to size/crimp consistently.
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