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Old 02-08-2009, 08:22   #151
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Okay! I'll quit after this post... SHOOTING TIMES May 2008

Practical Reloading by Lane Peace...
"Steel-Cased Reloads, Cracks and Fireforming Wildcat Cases" pg.10

This is not a recomendation to do it, but I have reloaded Wolf steel 45 ACP many times (same with steel-cased 7.62x39, 8mm etc). I can't vouch for higher pressure rounds such as 9mm and 40 S&W, but I find the steel cases do work well, especially the polymer-coated ones vs. the lacquered variety. Be mindful of potential workhardening issues and possible wear on your dies (none found to date). I must have reloaded these cases a half dozen times or more.

And do pass on those Wolf cases that are heavily rusted! You needn't reload every case on the ground!

Berdan-primed rifle cases: If you can find berdan primers, you can salvage many of the berdan-primed cases and reload them. I won't attempt to list the good, bad and ugly at this time, except...

Swiss 7.5x55 GP-11 Standard fodder for the K31 offered from Grafs, CTD, SG, etc:
Excellent brass, decaps easily with water and .30 cal punch (w/o pin).
The headstamps on GP11 rounds can be read as thus; The numbers at the top and bottom of the case represents the month and year of manufacture, respectively. The letter to the left of the headstamp represents where the case was manufactured, while the letter to the right represent the finally assembly point of the cartridge. Letters used include D=Dornach, A=Altdorf, and T=Thun from http://www.swissrifles.com/ammo/#7.5

Wolf steel decaps readily with the above process, too. You may use a bread wrapper (plastic bag) to help seal loose fits or neck-size if you want to bother. Some may figure why bother for the price etc...me, too! But, it can be done, that's all.

RCBS has a decapping tool for berdan primers, but I don't find it to be 100%. Assuming you have a source for berdan primers, you have many more brass sources available to you. Some of the stuff just doesn't decap easily and maybe hard to f-l resize, so scrap that stuff. You should be able to get 80% recovery, so that makes it a go in my book.

Oh...I'll gladly scoff up that GP11 brass, guys!

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Old 02-08-2009, 09:34   #152
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The Win brass (.45 ACP) with the large flash holes is some of the earlier lead free primer brass. It can be used for any normal .45 ACP loads, but is not recomended for a "+P" loading.
All normal data works well in these cases & I have personally loaded several thousands of them for bullseye & USPSA loads with excellent results. It's not even really necessary to seggregate them from normal brass with a standard size flash hole, as given the low operating pressures of the .45ACP, it doesn't make a lot of difference in velocity.

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Old 02-08-2009, 10:12   #153
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Thanks VN350X10 !

I knew it was some sort of production run, but wasn't sure what it was exactly.

...and...speaking of 45 ACP +P, where do you find most of your load data on that? Or do you use a general rule, like x% more than the listed maximum for 45ACP? Not that I'm really concerned with loading +P, but I just don't usually see published load data.


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Old 02-08-2009, 11:09   #154
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I really don't do much with +P .45ACP, except an occasional run of 185 JHPT for bowling pins !

My 2 favorite calibers are .44 Magnum & 10MM, so I don't have much need for the 45"extra". I only do it because the range that we shoot pins at has a rule for the pin shoots, no magnums & no 10MM.(a properly loaded 10MM is on the lower end of .41 Mag ballistics !)
I don't remember my exact pin load, as I load them about once a year, I make large runs of ammo. But it's BlueDot & pushing the Rem 185 JHPT right around 1150 fps from my comped/optic Springfield 1911. Takes a pin off the table clean !

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Old 02-08-2009, 17:43   #155
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Roger that! I'd better not reply after this, since I'm off the topic of this thread.
I don't recall any clubs here in CT restricting calibers as to pin shoots; is that to keep from busting the pins up too much, or due to ricochet potential? One club does pin shoots with rifle, but limits it to pistol-caliber carbines in winter in order to spare (sorry!) the pins a bit.

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Old 02-08-2009, 19:35   #156
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Not to worry about the off-topic, happens all the time here !

Yeah, we've gone to a .22RF only format this year.
The bowling alley that used to give us the pins now wants to charge for them.
They have to pay disposal on them if we don't take them, but the new owner of the alley is a cheap _________ !
So the .22's are a LOT easier on them, as I haven't figured out how to load my own .22 RF. (YET !)

I really like using my .44 AutoMag, but not many places have anything goes pin shoots nearby.

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Old 02-16-2009, 10:01   #157
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What about Frontier brass? A quick search says it was Hornady way back when.
I have one 45 acp that says FC Match 62. Is this Federal from 1962?
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Old 02-16-2009, 10:35   #158
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What about Frontier brass? A quick search says it was Hornady way back when.
I have one 45 acp that says FC Match 62. Is this Federal from 1962?
yep. FC is military made by Federal Cartridge. Commercial says Federal.
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:54   #159
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Hey Guys how do you know what the brass manufacturer was say on 3d blue bullets ..I am assuming Magtech bullets uses Magtech brass..But over-all how do you know..there's nothing I can see on the brass of a factory round. I have shot 1000's of factory loaded rounds of 45 and 40 in my back yard ..I always saved the brass so like for 40 smith I have 2 5Gallon pails full..All different types..Back than I was shooting whatever the gunshop had the best price on. Can I assume if the factory thought it was ok it is??
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Old 03-17-2009, 11:58   #160
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IIRC, 3D brass is just marked 3D, or maybe 3-D.

Magtech brass has a CBC headstamp - Compania Brasillia Cartouches (rough translation).
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Old 03-17-2009, 12:09   #161
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I dunno about ELD being in the good category. I've only worked with it in 10mm, but it wasn't very good. It was long, thick and soft. I had to cull it out of my mixed stamp plinking brass because it would just crimp to holy hell and get a ripple.

Little surprise, was just a marketing name for PMC.
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So I found a bag of Frontier brass, which as mentioned above is made by Hornady. But is it so old that I should keep it as a collector item instead of reloading it?

I also found a bag of PSD brass, and I can't seem to find information on it anywhere. Anyone?
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Old 03-22-2009, 06:04   #163
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According to these guys, PSD was made by PMC. I haven't found them wrong, yet.
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Old 03-22-2009, 06:56   #164
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So I found a bag of Frontier brass, which as mentioned above is made by Hornady. But is it so old that I should keep it as a collector item instead of reloading it?

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I'm on my sixth reload of some nickel-plated Frontier .357 magnum brass. I don't stoke it with full-power loads any more, but this batch appears to have a good long life ahead of it. The "brass" is starting to show through the nickel finish, but it's holding up well otherwise.
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According to these guys, PSD was made by PMC. I haven't found them wrong, yet.
Nice find with that site, I'm seeing "Poongsan Metal Manufacturing Company Ltd., Seoul, Republic of Korea (probably at the Dongrae Ammunition Plant)"...sounds sketchy to me...
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Old 03-22-2009, 22:03   #166
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Nice find with that site, I'm seeing "Poongsan Metal Manufacturing Company Ltd., Seoul, Republic of Korea (probably at the Dongrae Ammunition Plant)"...sounds sketchy to me...
If it doesn't say "Pootietang Metal Manufacturing," it's a fake.
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Old 03-24-2009, 18:04   #168
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Federal for 223 BAD
Any claims on this? I've used FC brass for a long time and have yet to run into a single problem. Most of the time it was because I didn't ream out the primer pocket enough.
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Anyone know what brand "PPU" brass is?

Good or Bad?

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Anyone know what brand "PPU" brass is?

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Prvi Partizan, 31000 Titovo, Uzice, Yugoslavia (see above link)

Most of the yooropean brass I've run into (S&B, Gecco, etc) is OK, with some calibers being better among brands. I've reloaded a few PPU in 9mm and had no problems.
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Prvi Partizan, 31000 Titovo, Uzice, Yugoslavia

According to:

http://www.cartridgecollectors.org/headstampcodes.htm

Don't think I've ever tried this brass.
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Thanks guys I missed that, been sorting through brass today and couldn't figure that one out.

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A couple of weeks ago, due to the buying frenzy on ammo, I bought 3000 rounds of 45acp & 1000 rounds of 9mm, both by PMC. Being a newbe on Glock Talk I have learned that PMC is a little further down the food chain in quality than I thought. How many reloads would estimate I can get using 7.7gr of HS6 & 200gr plated semi-wadcutter ENC?
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A couple of weeks ago, due to the buying frenzy on ammo, I bought 3000 rounds of 45acp & 1000 rounds of 9mm, both by PMC. Being a newbe on Glock Talk I have learned that PMC is a little further down the food chain in quality than I thought. How many reloads would estimate I can get using 7.7gr of HS6 & 200gr plated semi-wadcutter ENC?
You'll lose 'em before you wear 'em out. There's nothing wrong with PMC. Most of the difference between these brand is kinda like the "golden eared audiophile friend" who critiques your new stereo. It's moot in the real world.
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