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Old 05-06-2008, 18:20   #1
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gandang umaga po! hanggang saan po b pwede mag search s checkpoint ang mga pulis at guards ng naia? napapansin ko lang po sa airport na pinabubuksan nila ang glove compatment ng mga car pag dating sa checkpoint pag minsan pa pinabubuksan nila pinto at trunk, tanong lang po sa mga lawyer at pulis jan. d po ba dapat plain sight lang ang inspection... tnx po.
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Old 05-06-2008, 18:53   #2
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I think the "plain sight" rule applies only to PNP checkpoints in the street. Inside a facility like the NAIA, the security there can well impose anything they think necessary.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:35   #3
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I think the "plain sight" rule applies only to PNP checkpoints in the street. Inside a facility like the NAIA, the security there can well impose anything they think necessary.
that's right! And beside, the more they are strict to their job as security the more you should feel secured or safe. In addition, once we entered into any establishments we'll be subjected to their rules and regulations, otherwise we can freely leave the place without any hassle.
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Old 05-07-2008, 02:59   #4
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dapat talaga ay visual search lang. anyway kung wala ka namang tinatago eh hayaan mo na kung buksan nila ang glove compartment. ako din nagtaka sa naia ng pina bukas yung glove compartment ko eh.
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Old 05-07-2008, 04:22   #5
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Yes, I don't mind so much the additional 'hassle' if we may call it that. It's for my security. Cops in checkpoints usually adhere to the rules and regulations re: checkpoints., especially in Metro Manila. They are aware of the legal implications pag me nag-reklamo.

Military Checkpoints on the other hand are scary.
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:04   #6
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Sa mga provincial roads ang nakakatakot. Baka mga kalaban in AFP uniforms.
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:18   #7
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He who would trade some essential Liberty for some temporary Security deserves neither - Benjamin Franklin :-P
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Old 05-07-2008, 17:06   #8
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He who would trade some essential Liberty for some temporary Security deserves neither - Benjamin Franklin :-P

"Patriot Act"... "TSA"...




Seriously though:
The OP was talking about vehicle searches at the entrances to a major airport.
Their house, their rules.

If one can put up with it to get into shopping malls (par for the course in the Philippines),
the same drill at NAIA should be n/p. You DO have a choice, and can refuse to open your
car trunk.. but then the guards will exercise their choice to deny you entry.



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Old 05-07-2008, 17:51   #9
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He who would trade some essential Liberty for some temporary Security deserves neither - Benjamin Franklin :-P
Quotes like this are too convenient and may seem to be all encompassing.

This saying by Ben Franklin was some 230 years or so? It should be situated in its proper context, i.e., he was a Revolutionary. "Essential liberty" is the basic human rights and liberties (freedom of speech, etc.) that are sine qua non. An airport security check (which is a miniscule thing) probably does not qualify as an essential liberty. We should maintain a sense of proportion.
This quote was way, way before 911. As we all know, 911 is a defining moment in history. This event even changed in a way the USA. "Homeland Security" is very stringent now in the USA and I have to be fingerprinted on entry. Fingerprinting may be considered by some as a violation of privacy. Wonder what would happen to me if I refuse to be fingerprinted.

Somehow, these security measures insure my liberty and freedom. Terrorism has caused us to lose our sense of security. We should be free from fear. Freedom and liberty have a price and that price is additional security measures appropriate to the seriousness and sophistication of the threat (sophisticated and innocent looking bombs?).

A sense of proportion and a little hermeneutics perhaps.
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Quotes like this are too convenient and may seem to be all encompassing.

This saying by Ben Franklin was some 230 years or so? It should be situated in its proper context, i.e., he was a Revolutionary. "Essential liberty" is the basic human rights and liberties (freedom of speech, etc.) that are sine qua non. An airport security check (which is a miniscule thing) probably does not qualify as an essential liberty. We should maintain a sense of proportion.
This quote was way, way before 911. As we all know, 911 is a defining moment in history. This event even changed in a way the USA. "Homeland Security" is very stringent now in the USA and I have to be fingerprinted on entry. Fingerprinting may be considered by some as a violation of privacy. Wonder what would happen to me if I refuse to be fingerprinted.

Somehow, these security measures insure my liberty and freedom. Terrorism has caused us to lose our sense of security. We should be free from fear. Freedom and liberty have a price and that price is additional security measures appropriate to the seriousness and sophistication of the threat (sophisticated and innocent looking bombs?).

A sense of proportion and a little hermeneutics perhaps.
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Old 05-07-2008, 23:20   #11
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I dont mind them. With hesitation in my liver and kidney, I just do as requested. I just console my "revolutionizing inner being" that they do so to abide by orders and for my added protection (KUNO!!!)

But then my questions:
1. Do they know what they're looking for?
2. Will their "stick" determine whether the wires in the trunk ang glove compartments are bomb-connected or incendiary activators?
3. Fully aware of this procedure, will a terrorist-a bomber-or a stupid being consign his "wares" in either of the compartments?

Minsan nga...pag sinusumpong ako ng KAGAGUHAN ko at pupunta ko mall, ikakalat ko sa likod ng van ko empty shells, loaded mags, full to the brim ammo case, rig etc. HALA sige, mag-inspect ka.
Opps nakita...WALA NAMAN. Parang walang nakita.

HAY NAKU! Only in the PILIPINS.
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Old 05-07-2008, 23:58   #12
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The checkpoint being conducted before entering airport terminals in the philippines are stupid, useless and waste of money and time. what do this security guards want to accomplish.-- for me NOTHING.

Good question there pogi. well said.
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Old 05-08-2008, 02:17   #13
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a lousy security system is better than nothing. we know for a fact that the US spend millions of dollars in intelligence and for national/internal security yet the 911 tragedy happened, which actually the beginning of all these strict rules in public and private security. these security post at NAIA whether they properly do their job or not is a way to at least prevent crimes, of which prevention is better than cure. if there's no checkpoint at the entrance of our airports, can you imagine how our airports will be so vulnerable to carbombs? to answer the question about the checking of the inside compartments, actually it's a way to check who and what's inside the vehicle, it's a check point/search technique so that people inside the vehicle will not be intimidated while being checked. i can not elaborate more but i would like to reiterate that it is for the common good of the public.

i have to admit that i myself too sometimes feel irritated when being asked to deposit my fa, yet i have to submit because they are just doing their job and it's their rule. otherwise if i'm not comfortable of doing so, i'd rather not to enter their establishments except on official business.
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Old 05-08-2008, 04:08   #14
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I can't remember if it was posted here at BOG but somebody related that the security guards at the NAIA confiscated his Swiss Army knife when they saw it in his car's glove compartment. And they never gave it back. Deadly weapon daw.
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Old 05-08-2008, 06:26   #15
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Sa mga provincial roads ang nakakatakot. Baka mga kalaban in AFP uniforms.
I remember something like this. August last year, na-checkpoint ang van na sinakyan ko papuntang ormoc. May na holdap daw na duptours (van for hire). Being a law abiding citizen, pinakita ko ang PTC ko without being asked.

Iyong mga sundalo na naka sibilyan sa likod ayaw umamin na sundalo sila. ilang beses tinanong nung unipormadong pulis kung sundalo sila.

Then I realized, pucha meron sigurong mga kalaban sa tacloban-ormoc highway. kung hindi pulis ang mga iyon, yari ako

Lesson learned, next time hindi ako magvovolunteer ng PTC ko
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Good responses guys, but heres the thing, I have been actively opposing the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, and many other policies of the Bush presidency because they are obvious infringements on our 4th amendment rights.
I am a Libertarian, so I do tend to be highly sympathetic to the "revolutionary" ideals of Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, and so forth....
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Old 05-08-2008, 18:54   #17
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Good responses guys, but heres the thing, I have been actively opposing the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, and many other policies of the Bush presidency because they are obvious infringements on our 4th amendment rights.
I am a Libertarian, so I do tend to be highly sympathetic to the "revolutionary" ideals of Franklin, Jefferson, Madison, Washington, and so forth....
Cheers.

You're not the only one wishing his/her country would roll back
a ton of really dubious legislation, and return to what defined
one's country in the first place.

The fate of civilizations is that the pioneering virtues and clarity
that founded them eventually give way to self-sustaining bureaucracies,
which breed/feed on more and more regulation (read: reduction of liberty).

There are those who have the skill and courage to build nations,
and those who don't. The latter become deadweight parasites, or, if
they have ambition far in excess of their ability, try to couch what
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Regarding other comments made:
An airport-entrance vehicle search can breed some resentment.
An ineffective airport-entrance vehicle search breeds contempt.
In the age of terrorism, what does the absence of such searches breed?

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Old 05-12-2008, 19:55   #19
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Checkpoints at the entrace of the airport are useless.if a determined bomber who wants to make a statement they will just place the explosive in a suitcase or luggage, pass thru the checkpoint and blow up the whole place. its as simple as that.
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Old 05-12-2008, 21:23   #20
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Checkpoints at the entrace of the airport are useless.if a determined bomber who wants to make a statement they will just place the explosive in a suitcase or luggage, pass thru the checkpoint and blow up the whole place. its as simple as that.
Is that so sir? FYI a luggage full of explosives can not blow-up an airport. Terrorists, especially locals, dont used sophisticated explosives. Base on records they use combination of ammonium nitrate (fertilizer) and fuel oil, otherwise known as ANFO, and you need very large quantity of these to make severe damage of an establishment, even bringing it down. And if that's so easy, you can expect everyday establishments being blown away one at a time.
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