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Old 06-08-2008, 17:30   #1
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Get tough on guns, get serious about crime prevention

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Get tough on guns, get serious about crime prevention


By Nandy Pacheco
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 00:36:00 06/09/2008


MANILA, Philippines - The challenge before the President, Congress and the Philippine National Police is not to “get tough on crime” but to get tough on guns and to get serious about crime prevention.

Guns were made for one purpose only: to kill. A gun is a tragedy waiting to happen. Each violent incident, each senseless killing (like the massacre at the RCBC branch in Cabuyao, Laguna), each tragic story muffles a moral voice that, in this troubled world, needs to be heard.

Those who are pro-gun propose to arm Filipinos and allow them to carry their firearms in public places for protection. If the proposal were to be taken seriously, this would mean that family members, the drivers and even the maids, the officials and employees in the public and private sectors, laborers, and practically every Juan, Pedro and Petra should get guns to protect themselves. Who will subsidize the arms for the poor?

The Gunless Society and Ang Kapatiran Party are against the pro-gun proposal for the following reasons;

The existence of guns facilitates acts of violence. Violence should not be our response to violence. Violence begets more violence. One does not put out fire with fire. One puts out fire with water.

Gun pollution should be abated to save homo sapiens.

The law of the jungle has no place in human society.

Armed Filipinos with a short temper will only aggravate the peace and order situation.

The principle of “an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth” should not prevail in our social life. Being “peacemakers,” we are against the use of violence.

Criminals and outlaws can mix freely with the citizens, move freely from one place to another using motor vehicles with tinted glass and do their evil acts with impunity.

“An eye for an eye” or a gun for a gun is not the mark of a civilized society. By advocating the carrying of guns by ordinary citizens, they are absolving the government of its rightful duty.

Guns in this country don’t just kill Filipinos and foreigners, they also kill the country’s international standing and reputation. Each massacre like the recent Cabuyao shootout further undermines the Philippines in the eyes of the international community and acts as a serious disincentive for foreign investors. With every senseless burst of gunfire, the more dangerous and unreliable the Philippines looks. The children of a gun-rattling culture like this one are unlikely to have a secure, profitable, fully-employed future—so that’s another good reason for them to leave.

With guns everywhere, no one is safe. The proposal will surely foster a reign of fear. Norman Cousins, a well-respected American editor, said: “Peace without freedom is unthinkable, but freedom without peace is impossible.”

The Supreme Court, in a unanimous decision, said: “The right to bear arms is a mere statutory privilege, not a constitutional right. It is a mere statutory creation. Being a mere statutory creation, the right to bear arms cannot be considered an inalienable right.” For our part, we say, bearing arms is not a right but a wrong.

The first and primary duty of government under the Philippine Constitution is to protect the citizen and maintain peace and order. Peace and order is a precondition for sustainable development. No society can prosper in an atmosphere where public safety is in question.

If maintenance of peace and order were to be the yardstick of a passing mark for an administration, one can be sure that all past administrations up to the present would have gotten a failing mark. If this were a ground for impeachment, all the past presidents would have been impeached including the present one.

Allowing Filipinos to arm themselves and carry their firearms in public places is an admission of failure of the government to fulfill its first duty—to protect its citizens and to maintain peace and order.

“All sectors of the Church must actively work for an end to the production and manufacture of the technology of death and the arms trade as part of its vision of peace"( Art. 23, #23, PCP-II), says the Second Plenary Council of the Philippines.

Let us pray that the gun dealers and gun manufacturers find other better business that will help improve the quality of life and give equally good if not better income for them.

We offer the following proposals for immediate action and implementation:

General Principles: You cannot control crime without controlling the criminal, and you cannot control the criminal without controlling the gun. As a crime prevention and common sense measure, the point of gun control legislation is to make the harmless act of carrying a gun in public a criminal offense before such act turns into a violent one like murder, homicide, robbery, kidnapping, etc. It seeks to stop gun violence before it begins. Gun control is aimed at making it easier to identify criminals, especially gun-carrying “plainclothesmen,” so that it will be easier for law enforcers in uniform and on duty to disarm them and for peaceful unarmed citizens to cooperate with the authorities.

Policies: It’s time to turn the tide against the gun culture. Promote life, peace, active nonviolence and progressive disarmament. Be hard on guns, get serious about crime prevention, rethink our failing relationships and flawed institutions. We need both deterrence and crime prevention measures. An ounce of prevention is more than a pound of cure. It should be mandatory to report to media whether the gun involved in the crime is licensed or not and in whose name it is registered. One standard question that should be asked of the suspect: “Where did you get the gun you used?”

Nandy Pacheco is founder of the Gunless Society and Ang Kapatiran party.
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Old 06-08-2008, 18:52   #2
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PUUULLLEEEEZZZZ!!! HE is just sooooo out of this world!!!

If the person is qualified then why not arm them or allow them to be armed??

He is making the firearm a devil and not the person behind the trigger. DAMN I wonder what will happen if you leave the firearm loaded on the table for a month? Will it get up by itself and hurt, kill, rob people?!?

He just wants to convert the people into sheeple - people who would just roll over and die when the bad people do bad things to them.

When you outlaw firearms and ok let us say, eliminate firearms from society then people would use anything that they can get hold of to assault or protect themselves. So might as well ban knives, forks, pipes, shovels and even sharp sticks.

What about Cain and Able??? There are bad people in this world how can we defend ourselves? There is no perfect government that can protect us 100% of the time. All his info is wishful thinking while hard facts documented researched and statistically done by John Lott points out that firearms are effective to protect oneself.

ARGH!!!! Pacheco is just too much - hmmmm.... I wonder what will he do if you just punch him on his nose? Will he get mad? defend himself or just say "no that is ok the government will protect me next time"

Boy this article just pissed me off big time
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Old 06-08-2008, 18:55   #3
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A gun-less society is a society of willing victims.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080608/..._stabbing_dc_8

Man stabs shoppers in Tokyo street, killing seven

TOKYO (Reuters) - A man who said he was tired of life went on a stabbing rampage on Sunday in a crowded Tokyo shopping street, killing seven people and wounding a dozen others.

The man drove a rental truck into a crowd of pedestrians at lunchtime and then walked down the street knifing passers-by in Akihabara district, known for its discount electronics and maid cafes.

"I came to Akihabara to kill people," Kyodo news agency quoted the attacker as telling police. "I am tired of the world. Anyone was OK. I came alone."

A Tokyo police spokesman said at least seven people had been killed and 12 wounded.

"The man jumped on top of a man he had hit with his vehicle and stabbed him with a knife many times," Kyodo quoted a 19-year-old witness as saying. "Walking toward Akihabara Station, he slashed nearby people at random."

The dead were six men aged 19 to 74 and a 21-year-old woman, the news agency said.

The police said a man had been arrested, and television stations showed a slight, blood-splattered 25-year-old being herded into a police car.

Witnesses said the rampage was stopped when a policeman armed with a gun confronted the man, who NHK television said was shouting as he cut down his victims.

The street, usually crowded with tourists and locals seeking cheap gadgets, was cleared by police, who searched for evidence amid pools of blood.

"It's pretty shocking, considering that I come here all the time," a man told NHK.

The rampage came on the seventh anniversary of a massacre at a Japanese primary school, when a knife-wielding janitor and former mental patient killed eight schoolchildren. He was later executed for the killings.

Although Japan has relatively little violent crime, such high-profile cases have raised public concern about violence.

Shooting deaths remain rare in Japan, although there have been some recent cases involving "yakuza" criminal gangs.

As well as electronics, Akihabara has become known in recent years as a centre for Japan's expansive "nerd" culture of video games, comic books and outlandish fashion -- including street performers and cafes with waitresses dressed as French maids.
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Old 06-08-2008, 19:04   #4
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pacheco thinks crime would disappear if guns were outlawed! what a laugh! he would be doing the country a great favor if he instead exert his efforts on providing jobs for our countrymen. THAT would lessen criminality! and while he's at it, why not attend to corruption, law enforcement agencies, the judiciary and govt mismanagement.
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Old 06-08-2008, 19:52   #5
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Does anybody have Mr. Pacheco's contact details?

Sana maholdap. Let's test his "peacemaker technique."
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Old 06-08-2008, 21:10   #6
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its not as simple as the gun being the root of evil in the world.

Crime in society cant be solved by one simple act, its more of a wholistic approach. I think there will always be arguements for pro and anti gun groups. its not as easy as it seems.

Let us Be vigilant, a contractor of mine got killed last week when he withdrew money for his weekly payroll. I always think that if he has a gun would it turn out differently? The robbers shot out a tire, his car bumped an electric post, two of them approached both sides of the car the driver side opened fire hit him on his side, when he fell towards the passenger side, the robber gave him another shot to the side insatly killing him, took the money aroun 190k and left. Took place broad datlight and perps weremnt even wearing masks or bonets, walang takot na marecognize
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Old 06-08-2008, 21:13   #7
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Mr. Pacheco,

I disagree with your view that banning guns will improve peace and order in our country.

Criminals by the very definition of the word, does not follow laws. It will not matter to them if gun, knives or whatnot are banned and considered illegal. They will still get them and use them for their activities. Please think about it. A criminal will not think twice about illegally getting a weapon to commit a crime.

A criminal will not go to a gun store, apply for a license, get all the necessary documentation, police, court and other clearances needed to legally purchase a firearm. They get them through illegal activities.

By banning guns from the general populace, all you will achive is to empower the criminal. Criminals are predators, they see defenseless victims as easy prey. The only thing a gun ban will achive is to make life easier for criminals.

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It should be mandatory to report to media whether the gun involved in the crime is licensed or not and in whose name it is registered. One standard question that should be asked of the suspect: “Where did you get the gun you used?”
On this point, I agree that the media should state if the gun used in a crime is licensed or not. I am sure that almost all guns used in crimes are unlicensed or loose firearms. If the gun is loose, then it will prove my point that criminals will always get access to weapons wheter it is banned or not. And that a gun ban will not stop them from doing so.
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Old 06-08-2008, 21:16   #8
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Does anybody have Mr. Pacheco's contact details?

Sana maholdap. Let's test his "peacemaker technique."

He'll tell the mugger: "Taga gunless society ako. Di mo ako pwede holdapin. Besides, di mo ba alam na bawal ang loose firearms?"

Hey Nandy...
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Let us Be vigilant, a contractor of mine got killed last week when he withdrew money for his weekly payroll. I always think that if he has a gun would it turn out differently? The robbers shot out a tire, his car bumped an electric post, two of them approached both sides of the car the driver side opened fire hit him on his side, when he fell towards the passenger side, the robber gave him another shot to the side insatly killing him, took the money aroun 190k and left. Took place broad datlight and perps weremnt even wearing masks or bonets, walang takot na marecognize

if he had a gun, the moment the BG shot his tire he could have drawn his gun and fired back or maybe surprise them when the BG approached him. this could disrupt the BG's plans and give him time to run
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...One does not put out fire with fire. One puts out fire with water.
In that case, I humbly propose that we arm all law-abiding citizens with water pistols. That should give those bad guys a big surprise

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Old 06-09-2008, 06:36   #12
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Siguro huwag din bigyan ng mga baril mga pulis at sundalo natin. Let them use bazooka na lang.
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Old 06-09-2008, 06:47   #13
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The idiot is wrong. You do fight fire with fire. I wonder if he ever heard of a backfire. Intentionally set to consume the offending fire and not allow it to go any further. Kinda sounds like self defense, doesn't it???


You can't change these kind of people, only hope the criminals take them out instead of intelligent people.
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If we follow his reasoning, then lets all write our politicans to ban violent crime
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oh MAN!! he is so right - maybe if they had guns then they wouldn't be sprawled on the floor dead
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the idiot cant read and comprehend very well..... he needs illustration to understand! maybe someone can send him this drawing!
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Old 06-09-2008, 22:40   #17
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Does anybody have Mr. Pacheco's contact details?

Sana maholdap. Let's test his "peacemaker technique."
I think he has bodyguards
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Old 06-09-2008, 23:42   #19
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NOT GOOD FOR US. . .

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Police on Tuesday identified the motorist in the road rage case that killed a bus driver in Quezon City Monday.

Superintendent Marcelino Pedrozo of the Quezon City Police District said McCartney Alcantara was identified by a certain Renato Bernabe of San Jose village as the one who owns the black Nissan Sentra sedan (UPF 648).

Bernabe said Alcantara parked the car near his home at No. 6 Bulwagan corner Polygon streets in San Jose.

Pedrozo described Alcantara, who hails from Parañaque City, as between 26 to 27 years old. Earlier witnesses' accounts said the assailant in the shooting of JRoss bus company driver Ramilo Vargas as stocky.

Police said operatives found the abandoned car following calls from concerned citizens.

Policemen said they found 300 rounds of reloaded 9mm ammunition and a Glock pistol magazine inside the car.

Vargas, 40, died while undergoing treatment at the East Avenue Medical Center around 9 a.m. Monday.

Dr. Virgilio Garcia said the bullet went through Vargas's lungs.

Vargas was shot by the driver of the black sedan on the southbound lane of EDSA. The area is in front of the Ramon Magsaysay Elementary School in Kamuning district.

Passengers told police investigators that Vargas and the sedan's driver had an altercation after jockeying for position at the Kamuning flyover.

The car driver opened fire while the bus was in front of the school. The gunman fled afterwards.

Police immediately checked on records of the Land Transportation Office to identify the shooter.


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300 reloads? parang license and PTT yun ha.... :(
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He fired from inside the car.....great shot
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