[jasonvp]

Originally posted by chevrofreak
but i do know the SR-25 is awesome

That it is. Specially in Mk11 Mod 0 trim. :-)

just kinda assumed it was the SR-25 off the AR-10 since the AR-10 has been around since the 60's or 70's

If that's the case, then the AR-10 may very well have been around longer. Stoner designed the SR-25 with Reed Knight's help back in the 80s, I think. I was under the impression that he was more interested in basing it off of the M-16 than any AR-10, but I might be mistaken.

In either case, it's a hell of a rifle.

jas

[Jeff OTMG]

FN 49 in .30-06

[G31]

You could also get a Browning BAR. I'm not talking about the old BAR used by the military, although that would be perfect, I mean the PC hunting BAR currently produced in various calibers.

[midnight]

Originally posted by GlockM23


Am i looking at the wrong place or wrong caliber?

You're looking in the wrong place. Yes, you can find .308 ammo that costs that much, but as G&KL said, its specialty or match ammo. Try Wal-Mart. Winchester's USA loading is affordable in all cailbers. Try www.dansammo.com, where I just ordered South African surplus .308 for 12 cents/round. I don't even think match ammo is available for 7.62x39. You gotta compare apples to apples.


BTW, the 12c/round price is a special he has going on, its not listed at that price on the web site. The web site lists it for about 14c/round IIRC.

[ithaca_deerslayer]

Originally posted by fnfalman
With all the great bolt action rifles running around, why would one "try" to find a semiauto rifle that has acceptable weight to oomph ratio, not to mention accuracy standards, for hunting?

Me for example (please look at my post in the rimfire section) is looking for a "hunting" rifle that is more of a crap-a-wild-animal-is-attacking-the-sheep rifle. So, expecting a ruckus, I want a lot of fast follow-up shots in case the first shot is not a good one.

And my wife isn't very good operating a bolt action, so it is perhaps even more of an issue for her.

[micah]

Certainly..I don't really get your post..
"Those who will settle for nothing but a bolt action will settle for a muzzleloader, then a bow, then for golf instead of hunting."
I use bows, bolt guns, single shots, muzzle loaders and handguns for hunting. Am I somehow at risk of becoming a golfer?
Also, do note that people have fought, and continue to fight quite succesfully with bolt guns.
Another also, I don't shoot at large game, I shoot at the large game's heart. 1.5 MOA will not always do. Also, I get every last foot pound of energy out of my single shot and bolt guns, nothing lost to inefficiency.
Nothin' wrong with a good auto, just don't "sell out" the bolt guns, they're not without their merits. Regards.

[chevrofreak]

micah, i believe that Certainly was refering to the common statements like "you dont need an AR-15 to hunt"

while not everyone uses them, some do.

the gun grabbers know that few do, so they think that they can ban those guns without that much of a fuss (look at california) if it keeps going like that we'll be left to hunt our deer with a sharpened spoon and a rock.

[10mmGuy]

Best semi-auto hunting rifle? Hmmm guess my favorite is my G20. It's scary how accurate that thing is!

[9x45]

Why is having a semi-auto rifle the main selection criteria? The best hunting calibers and hunting ammo are made for bolt rifles. 7.62x39 is not a hunting round.

[MrMurphy]

There are semiautos chambered in .270, .308, .30-06, .243, etc.

[kilroy2721]

I use a M1 Garand. In .308 and because some states have limits on how many rounds you can have in your magazine there are a lot of places that make 1, 2, 5 or the full 8 rd. magazines. It is a heavy gun to carry and not to easy to have a scope mounted on it... but it is possible. I shoot with open sights and anything out to 200 yds. is mine. The Springfield M1A is also a good choice.

[Aimless]

Originally posted by 9x45
Why is having a semi-auto rifle the main selection criteria? The best hunting calibers and hunting ammo are made for bolt rifles. 7.62x39 is not a hunting round.

7.62x39 is an adequate whitetail round and is available from Remington and others soft nosed jacketed hunting rounds. Semi auto rifles designed primarily for hunting, like the Browning BAR are available in the same calibers as bolt guns-270, 30-06 308 (30-06 & 308 are among the most popular "hunting" rounds and obviously have quiet a bit of military history)

The Browning BAR is probably one of the better semi auto hunting rifles & what I would suggest for someone who wanted a semi hunting rifle. I know a few people who are not in love w/ the Remington 7400 (and some love 'em)-altho you can also trick them out into a pretty impressive make**** fighting gun.

Obviously you can hunt w/308 hunting military style rifle-an M1a will do the job if you want to lug it around. I've hunted on occaission w/an HK 91, also. An Armalite AR10 would also do the job but I would assume is not CA okay

An AR15 will take whitetail if you know what you are doing, but I don't like 223 for hunting big game.

A Garand would be a less expensive and probably CA legal choice, but scope mounting is a pain.

The mini 30 is an okay short range gun but they are often not exactly tack drivers. I also find the rattling of the charging handle annoying. I have had to hold my hand over it in the woods to keep the damn thing quiet.

For most hunting I think a Remington model 700 would probably be a better choice.

[9x45]

Aim, I didn't say the 7.62x39 wasn't adequate, I said it wasn't designed as a hunting round. It was based on the WWII Russian belief that most rifle firefights are between 150-200 yards and not 600 yards. So thats how the 39 was hatched. The round is light, reasonably accurate and clearly effective on 2 legged predators, especially when served as multiples.

I have taken deer with a 40S&W caliber, but do not recommend it.
Hunting with the 30-06, and all the wildcats from it, is based on the lowcost surplus rifles available after the wars.

Try lugging an M-14 or AR-10 around for hours in rough country. My personal recommendation for deer in California is any good quality bolt gun in .243 Win with a nice piece of 4x glass. Plastic stocks and stainless hardware are just a bonus.

[Aimless]

Originally posted by 9x45
. My personal recommendation for deer in California is any good quality bolt gun in .243 Win with a nice piece of 4x glass. Plastic stocks and stainless hardware are just a bonus.

I agree, although I'm not a big .243 fan, 270 maybe? 243 shoots nice and the few times I carried one I didn't get to try it out, but it just seems on the edge of being a little light. I prefer the Remington BDL in stainless w/ the synthetic stock. Although the Winchester safety is probably a better designed it's not what I am used to.

I've hunted w/ my HK & it can be kind of a pain, I agree that I can't see the point in hunting w/an M1a, though the scout model seems a little more interesting.

What load of 40 was that you were hunting with (I assume you were hunting, the only deer I have seen taken w/40 were-um-"shot while trying to escape")? Out of a glock or a revolver? I've shot a lot of 10, but have never fired a dedicated 40, I don't think. I guess some of the hotter 40's are reaching 10 level. Unfortunately too many 10s are being loaded downtowards 40.

[Rob19]

..another vote for the BAR. Get that gold inlay, while your at it..it's only money..stay safe and have fun, rdogout

[hank_rearden]

is there no other semi-auto than can handle 7mm rem and 300 win?

[Aimless]

Originally posted by hank_rearden
is there no other semi-auto than can handle 7mm rem and 300 win?

I thought HK's SLB 2000 was supposed to be available in 300 win, but it's not listed on their website http://www.hecklerkoch-usa.com/pages...kframeset.html

[MHMcLaugh]

The Browning BAR in .270 is my favorite deer hunting rifle. It is not only gorgeous, but also extremely accurate. You can add scopes to many of the military design semi autos, but they are not made for optics like the BAR is. The quality of the commercial scope mounts and rings for the BAR is much better than anything you will find that has been adapted for a military rifle. I have owned an SKS with an aftermarket scope mount welded onto the cover. It rattled so much that it could not hold a zero. I have owned an M1A(which is a superb battle rifle)with a 2nd generation Sprigfield scope mount, and the mount is so high that you need a cheek piece just to get proper eye alignment, otherwise, it feels like your chin is sitting on top of the butt stock. I have tried the SAR-1(AK in 7.62X39) with side mount rail and Russian optics. The PSO scope was horrible, and the rifle itself does not have the accuracy and velocity necessary to make shots out to 300 yards like a BAR can make.

I cannot comment on the Remington 7400 series semi autos as I have never owned or shot one. I do suppose that there is a reason that a used BAR will sell for $500 and a used Remington will sell for $275.

There is some recoil and muzzle jump from the BAR in .270, but it is much less than a similiar bolt action in .270. If you want very light recoil and a rifle capable of taking any Whitetail in the continental U.S., then go with the .243. My uncle shoots one of these and it handles deer quite nicely.

For Varmints I use my Colt Ar-15 model 6700 in .223. Flat top with 20" bbl using an armalite mount and Leupold Vari-X II 3X9 scope. This thing is a hog's worste nightmare. This is where the semi auto really shines. Many times, hogs come in to feed with a sow and several piglets. The AR gives me more quick shots for more game.

I would consider the Armalite in .308 as I believe they make an excellent weapon. The only problem is the price difference. In Texas, a brand new BAR goes for around $675 and an Armalite for about $1300.

Hope this helps.

This is my first post on Glock Talk, because I just found this site. I am looking for my first Glock and I am already learning a lot about these pistols frmo the good people here.

-Thanks,

Matthew

[RenegadeGlocker]

BAR

[Short Cut]

Originally posted by MHMcLaugh
This is my first post on Glock Talk

Welcome to town! I really enjoyed your first post regarding your BAR .270, that is a sweet sounding rifle, thanks.

Purely hunting? Get yourself a Bar if you like pretty guns, an SL7 if you like ugly ones or a Remington if you cannot afford the others. Caliber? .308 of course. You will never run out of things it will kill on this continent and think of the surplus plinking ammo. I have a BLR in .308 and can vouch for the quality and craftsmanship Browning puts into their guns.

[SteelGuitar]

Dragunov in 7.62x54 is my choice. works perfect.

[TScottW99]

my vote goes to the AR-10 also. The .308 is a great round for deer and black bear size game. Also the AR-10 has been around since the 50's not the 60's or 70's.

[riverrat]

Since he wants a semi-auto for hunting:

1. Browning BAR. Available from .243 to .338. Upside - accurate, currently produced, reliable, durable. Downside - a little heavy.

2. Winchester model 100, (pre-64 if you are a purist). Available .243, .284, .308, .358[very rare], Upside - great "feel" and "pointablity". Downside - not currently produced, need to make sure the firing pin has been upgraded.

3. Remington. Upside - available, currently produced, cheap. Downside - least accurate, least reliable, on average, of the threesome.