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Old 07-06-2008, 21:14   #1
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My youngest brother is currently in his 4th or 5th week of BASIC at Fort Knox.

When he first told me of his plans to enlist,(I wanted to do the same thing at his age, only was disqualified due to a slight hearing loss), I tried to talk him out of it, not because I'm not a patriot, I AM, but more because of the fact that he is the baby of the family and if something ever happens to him it would affect EVERY ONE OF US DRASTICALLY. Anyhow, I haven't said much to him about it since and I want him to know that I AM PROUD OF HIM AND SUPPORT HIM.

I had this idea a couple of days ago to present him with a gift to commemorate his training there.

He's at Fort Knox in the 194th Armored Brigade, 2nd Battalion, 81st Armor Regiment.

I'm sure that once he completes his training he will be assigned to a different unit, but this gift will be intended to commemorate his initial training at Fort Knox.

Would you consider this appropriate, Do you think it's even a good idea?
How can I go about being certain that get the right patch/insignia put on it?

I'd like to get your guys' opinion on this.
Please feel free to chime in with ANY ideas about the design.
Your input will be greatly appreciated!!!!

He doesn't graduate until October so I have a few months to put this together if I decide to go ahead with it.

here is a link to the thread I started inquiring about services to complete this project, check out post #10 to get an idea what it is I want to do.

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=892321

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Old 07-07-2008, 19:50   #2
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If' he's going to be a 19K or 19D I'd get the Armor or Cavalry insignia engraved instead of a basic training unit patch.
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Old 07-07-2008, 20:20   #3
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If' he's going to be a 19K or 19D I'd get the Armor or Cavalry insignia engraved instead of a basic training unit patch.
What is 19K or 19D??
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Old 07-07-2008, 21:24   #4
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Armored vehicle crewman (Tanker, etc) or Cavalry Scout.
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Old 07-07-2008, 22:23   #5
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Armored vehicle crewman (Tanker, etc) or Cavalry Scout.
Tanker, gotcha! So that would be 19K, right?
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Old 07-07-2008, 23:37   #6
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Here's the armor insignia:
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I'd recommend that you use the armor symbol or the symbol from his unit after basic training (which he probably won't know until just before graduation).
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Tanker, gotcha! So that would be 19K, right?
That's right
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:06   #8
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We are Charlie 2/81. Best damn company under the sun. Motivated, dedicated, that's our style. Been that way for a long long while. We are the best. The best by far. Smoke all the others like a cheap cigar. Drive on drill sergeant, drive on. Hooah!


I went through 2/81 for my initial training. Still remember our company motto after all this time...
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We are Charlie 2/81. Best damn company under the sun. Motivated, dedicated, that's our style. Been that way for a long long while. We are the best. The best by far. Smoke all the others like a cheap cigar. Drive on drill sergeant, drive on. Hooah!


I went through 2/81 for my initial training. Still remember our company motto after all this time...
When did you serve?
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Old 07-08-2008, 20:56   #10
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When did you serve?
I went through BASIC in 2004 - not really all that long ago, but I'm still surprised that I remember the whole motto still.

I wish my memory was that good for other things.
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If' he's going to be a 19K or 19D I'd get the Armor or Cavalry insignia engraved instead of a basic training unit patch.
Exactly. Don't get his basic training unit engraved on it. Even if he loves basic, that's not a line unit and doesn't carry the same sort of pride he might have in a later assignment. Get the armor branch insignia engraved - not the training unit.
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Exactly. Don't get his basic training unit engraved on it. Even if he loves basic, that's not a line unit and doesn't carry the same sort of pride he might have in a later assignment. Get the armor branch insignia engraved - not the training unit.

And the Armor Branch would be........the two swords with the tank in the center???

Would it make sense to do the Armor Branch/Unit on the center of the grip and his 1st assigned unit,(post-BASIC), on the slide?

Too bad I couldn't fit the company motto on there, what about just; Hooah!!! ???


BTW - A Big, Big, Thankyou to those trying to help me, I think this will mean alot to my brother!

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No, don't put "hooah."

The rest of it sounds good though.
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No, don't put "hooah."

The rest of it sounds good though.
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I guess "hooah" would look a little stupid, huh?
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I guess "hooah" would look a little stupid, huh?

I refuse to use that word. I think most will agree it's annoying and very over used.
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I refuse to use that word. I think most will agree it's annoying and very over used.
I agree, especially since it's a an Airborne Ranger word! IMO Legs shouldn't use the word!
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I agree, especially since it's a an Airborne Ranger word! IMO Legs shouldn't use the word!
Err, fine. You can keep it...

You want the hat back too?

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I'm glad I got out before everybody started wearing berets.
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I'm glad I got out before everybody started wearing berets.

I'm glad I'm in the National Guard and can get away with only wearing it at active duty posts.
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I'm glad I'm in the National Guard and can get away with only wearing it at active duty posts.
Last time I spent time at an active-duty post, they wouldn't let us wear the beret. We had to wear the patrol caps so that we wouldn't be confused with "real" soldiers.
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Err, fine. You can keep it...

You want the hat back too?

Why not! I had to earn mine and I'm sure the Ranger Bns would love to have their Black berets back too.

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Tankers had the black beret before the rangers took it away. It wasn't that big of a loss.
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Tankers had the black beret before the rangers took it away. It wasn't that big of a loss.

They didn't Earn it either. Nor did the Department of the Army ever authorize the Tankers to wear a Black beret. The Army did authorize the 75th Ranger Regiment to wear the Black Beret once they were qualified and EARNED it!

I was one of the first Airborne Ranger to wear a black beret in 1951. Ranger's that I know consider the loss of the Black Beret to the 'leg' Army as a great loss.
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I'm glad I got out before everybody started wearing berets.

We started in the US Army Special Forces, wearing an authorized Green Beret in 1962, thanks to President JFK. When did you get out? Many wore it prior to when it was authorized in the field and/or on base.

As I mentioned in a previous post, I wore, along with other Airborne Rangers in a few of our Companies (Korean War Era) an unauthorized black beret. It was authorized at the Company level in a few of the 15 numbered companies.

I can see why some here take no pride in wearing their distinctive head gear, since they were issued the beret and didn't have to do anything special to actually EARN this distinctive mark of excellence as a soldier, in a Special unit.

I'll grant you this it's a lousy field hat; however, I always was proud to wear mine on both active and reserve duty and still do as a member of the Special Forces Association (Life member.) on the those special occasions that call for it's wearing.

The only Berets that are EARNED not just Issued are:

1.) Green Beret — Special Forces 18x MOS
2.) Tan Beret — Ranger (75th Ranger Regiment)

I'd like to include the Maroon beret for paratroopers, in the list above; however, it is my understanding that people who are not jump qualified are allowed to wear the maroon beret because they are assigned to an Airborne unit. I don't think this is right. It should be worn by only 'jump' qualified paratroopers!
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