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Never tell. unless nessesary. I've been pulled over. Keep your hands on the wheel 10 and 2. If it's dark out turn your dome light on. cops like to see hands
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For the OP, you might want to skim that thread, too. Answers to some of the same questions you're asking.
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Sean Appler? Investigator with the Ronson Beach Police Department?
I'm sorry, I can't hear him clearly.
Which state is this?
I'm getting upset about this guy. Expert Village pays people for these videos, and his advice is vague.
No, I don't agree with this.
I don't think Sean Appler is a bad guy, but I think it's pretentious of him and Expert Village to pass this off as expert advice on how to handle a traffic stop.
I don't have to disclose it in Florida and I would not inform him. Don't ask, don't tell. I'd like to keep the chances of an officer freaking out or trying to disarm me and having a possible accident to a minimum. I've seen an officer shoot the ceiling of a gun range. I've seen officers who don't know how to work a double action handgun.
I don't want a new officer or an angry officer to disarm me, run my gun, or take the rounds out of it and tell me to put it back together later. (That's not even an option when I'm on my motorcycle).
I'll leave any other personal feelings about the subject out of this thread
It really amazes me that there are actually so many folks out there with these "Never tell" attitudes...Why?
Regardless of whether it's required by law in your state, informing an officer of your carry status seems prudent and certainly not unreasonable.
I just don't get it.....
in pa you don't have to tell...so why tell unless he ask you to get out of the car..
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because anything you say to that officer can and will be used against you in a court of law. The less you say to the officer, the better
Yeah....I don't think letting them know you are legally armed is going to be used against you for any reason.
I mean, what are you doing wrong that it would matter?
Officer to court:
"The subject was armed and even admitted to it."
Court:
"So what? next..."
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in pa you don't have to tell...so why tell unless he ask you to get out of the car..
Because things generally go smoother that way.
Also, there are cops who go easier on the CCW holder in so long as they aren't being a *total* jackass.
However, I should point out that both times I've been pulled over since I started carrying, it resulted in a pleasant conversation rather than a ticket.
As quiet as its kept, police are not the enemy of law abiding citizens...
It really amazes me that there are actually so many folks out there with these "Never tell" attitudes...Why?
Regardless of whether it's required by law in your state, informing an officer of your carry status seems prudent and certainly not unreasonable.
I just don't get it.....
2 schools of thought on this.
1. Telling the officer, even if not required by your state, will put the officer at ease. Officers like honesty and being told up front what they are dealing with. It may make your traffic stop go easier.
2. Anything you say can and will be used against you. If the cop is pro gun/pro carry he won't care if you tell him, if the cop is anti gun you are better off not telling him unless necessary to prevent him from over reacting.
I've only been pulled over once since I've had a carry permit. I told the officer as he approached the car and asked for my DL. Here in VA it is not required to notify an officer, but it will show up when he runs your DL through the computer, so I feel you might as well tell them anyways.
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It really amazes me that there are actually so many folks out there with these "Never tell" attitudes...Why?
Regardless of whether it's required by law in your state, informing an officer of your carry status seems prudent and certainly not unreasonable.
I just don't get it.....
Because the 'law' is out to get us. Didn't you get the memo?
Personally, I would tell the officer. Its not required by law here in WV, but I personally think its prudent to do so.
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It's not required of me in this state, and I'm definitely of the school of "The less said to the police, whether inocuous, innocent, or not, is a good thing".
That, and I've had some scary experiences with cops and their firearms incompetence. It tends to make me...edgy.
So I'm with passive101 on this one.
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Utah law requires me to inform the officer at a traffic stop. My understanding is that a Utah LEO can run my plates before he even gets out of his car and can see that I have a CFP. So the disclosure requirement is a bit odd, except it requires me to let the officer know if I am, in fact, carrying at the time.
Anyway, yes, I do inform the officer, but not in the manner described in the Expert Village video. He never offers any non-alarming verbiage, so I wonder how many tense moments this video instruction has caused out on the road. The officer walks up to the car, and the driver blurts out I've got a gun/weapon in the car!
My CCW instructor, on the other hand, gave better advice. He said it's sufficient to hand the officer my CFP with my DL, as long as the weapon doesn't have to be exposed while retrieving those items (glove box, console, wallet pocket by the gun, etc.). That's all I've ever done, and I've been pulled over 3-4 times in 4 years with no "incident" whatsoever. Hand him the two licenses, and let him proceed as he deems fit.
For the OP, you might want to skim that thread, too. Answers to some of the same questions you're asking.
Oh man are you ever going to love this one then!!!! Two days ago my best friend and number 1 shootin' pal got pulled over and he did not have one gun on him. He had TWO! Never told the police officer he had them, and never got in trouble for it, and is not required by law to tell them.
Go figure that one out. Then tell me what you think and opine, and I will continue to laugh because the laws were written by the people for the people. I will follow the laws as written. Maybe next time I will tell a police officer I have one and not give it to them. Well I am sorry to inform you but the citizens here are aware of the law and so are the police and both parties follow the law as written. Is that too hard to understand??
Years ago I was a Policeman, so I can look at it from both sides.
If you are legally carrying a gun I see no down side in informing the LEO.
From the LEO side.
If after talking to you for some time you finally get around to telling me you are armed, or have a gun in the car, I'm going to wonder just what else you are hiding.
Then I will probably act accordingly.
In Texas we have to present our CHL with our DL.
I have been stopped a LOT of times and in every case, but one, the LEO's attitude, when he saw the CHL, became noticeably more friendly and in all but that one case I was not given a ticket.
My first words would probably not be, "I've got a gun". Without any further explanation the officer may not know if the information is being provided as a courtesy or a threat. If you are required to notify by law, let them know you have the permit first.
I've not been pulled over since I started carrying a gun, but was in the car with a guy from work when he was pulled over. When the officer came to my side of the car I said, "I want to let you know we are federal agents and are armed." If I had just said "We're both armed" I could see it making the tense.
Years ago I was a Policeman, so I can look at it from both sides.
If you are legally carrying a gun I see no down side in informing the LEO.
From the LEO side.
If after talking to you for some time you finally get around to telling me you are armed, or have a gun in the car, I'm going to wonder just what else you are hiding.
Then I will probably act accordingly.
In Texas we have to present our CHL with our DL.
I have been stopped a LOT of times and in every case, but one, the LEO's attitude, when he saw the CHL, became noticeably more friendly and in all but that one case I was not given a ticket.
The only question I have for you is why would a civil servant have to worry about anything hidden or in plain sight if it is legal? Would you wonder what else he or she has legaly hidden or in plain sight or are you of the assumption that a legaly carried, hidden weapon automaticaly means they are illegaly hideing something?
In Oregon you don't have to volenteer information, but, when they run your lic plate it will pop up that you have a CCW permit. They might ask you if you are packen heat. Have never been asked to turn over weapon.
How often do some of you get pulled over btw? I haven't been pulled over in 15 years except when I had an interaction with an officer for being hit by another vehicle while on my motorcycle.
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