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Old 10-18-2008, 17:11   #321
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Pretty cockeyed view of things huh?
Nope, I was just applying his answer to real life. You liberal/socialist/"progressives" (regressives) or whatever you call yourself never like answering that question of when life begins. You are brainwashed from a young age & just accept it as gospel that its OK to kill a human life just because you haven't become emotionally attached to that life, since the life cannot yet talk, walk or defend itslef. Ever study embryology? I have, part of that whole medical school curriculum. By the end of week 8 after fertilzation, all major organ systems are present, the third week after fertilization is when the vast majority if differentiation starts in the embryo and you see what rapidly starts to look like a human life. Week 5 is when the first heartbeat takes place.

You see, I take positions based on science & knowledge, people like you take postions based upon emotional (and many times, misguided) feelings. I'm a libertarian, if I was to make a utopian world, laws would be simple, if you harmed another person, there would be a penalty that was commensurate with the degree of harm caused. Do what you like, as long as you harm no other human, but abortion after the 8th week by anybody's standards is clearly murder. I always like to errr on the side of caution, so I believe its murder at week 3 after fertilization, probably before that.

DNA gets really complicated with an embryo (because the proliferation of cells are amazingly programmed at the beginning of life, when the fetus is just a handful of cells), but one thing I can tell you for certain, of the cells that make up the embryo, even before week three, you will not find one cell that matches the mothers DNA. So how do you justify that is the "woman's body"? Its a bunk argument, intellectually, you don't have a leg to stand on. Any women who is taking drugs/alcohol or any other tetragenic substance while pregnant (particularly during the first 8 weeks when the vast majority of birth defects from tetragenic substances occurs) should be locked up and thrown in jail because they have seriously injured or at least put at great risk, the life of another human being. Abortion doesn't affect my life on a personal level, so I usually don't debate people on it, but its flat out morally wrong by anyone's standards. Educate yourself, ignorance sucks!
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Old 10-18-2008, 17:12   #322
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PAgunner, way to totally misinterpret my words. Not sustain life without the social ramifications of a young child and her or his mother taking care of him or her... i am talking about physical sustainment of life like being able to breathe on their own, heartbeat, etc..

It is foolish to think that I am asserting that little kids are not alive because they cant live without a guardian... get real.
Please read above post (#321) if you would like to educate yourself.
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Old 10-18-2008, 19:05   #323
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Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President? If your a liberal, if you think your country is always wrong, and your a socialist, then yes barry barrack hussan obama is the perfect president.

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Old 10-19-2008, 10:26   #324
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PAgunner - the fetus CANNOT sustain life on its own physically without its mother. Period. if life begins 5 weeks after fertilization then why isnt a babies birthday 7 months early than it is documented when they are born?

the Constitution is a living and breathing document. God bless it.
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Old 10-19-2008, 14:53   #325
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PAgunner - the fetus CANNOT sustain life on its own physically without its mother. Period. if life begins 5 weeks after fertilization then why isnt a babies birthday 7 months early than it is documented when they are born?

the Constitution is a living and breathing document. God bless it.
So the constitution is "living" and a fetus is not "living" or its part of the woman's body despite my attempt to educate you by introducing the facts (not opinions) into your thought process? I informed you that DNA of cells that make up the embryo and subsequently the fetus do not match up with the mother's DNA, yet you tell me its the woman's body? Have you ever read the constitution? Weather you have or haven't, please go back and read article 5, then tell me where in that text it supports judicial activism? Amendments to the constitution are very rigid for a reason, if you read the text, its pretty dam obvious that the founding fathers never intended for judicial activism. Yes, the constitution can be changed via the proper route, the people you support and I suspect yourself want to back door socialism into this country. Ignorance is the most costly choice we as a people make in this country, and you are a prime example.
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Old 10-19-2008, 16:27   #326
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Old 10-20-2008, 20:54   #327
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I am going to vote, umm...umm...I don't want to offend anyone so I am voting...umm...ummm.....PRESENT.
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Old 10-20-2008, 23:58   #328
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So the constitution is "living" and a fetus is not "living" or its part of the woman's body despite my attempt to educate you by introducing the facts (not opinions) into your thought process? I informed you that DNA of cells that make up the embryo and subsequently the fetus do not match up with the mother's DNA, yet you tell me its the woman's body? Have you ever read the constitution? Weather you have or haven't, please go back and read article 5, then tell me where in that text it supports judicial activism? Amendments to the constitution are very rigid for a reason, if you read the text, its pretty dam obvious that the founding fathers never intended for judicial activism. Yes, the constitution can be changed via the proper route, the people you support and I suspect yourself want to back door socialism into this country. Ignorance is the most costly choice we as a people make in this country, and you are a prime example.
Yes I have read the Constitution. And YES it is a LIVING AND BREATHING document. A fetus is still not alive until it can sustain life outside its mother's body.
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Old 10-21-2008, 16:01   #329
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Yes I have read the Constitution. And YES it is a LIVING AND BREATHING document. A fetus is still not alive until it can sustain life outside its mother's body.
Well, some people just don't get it, guess your one of them. I wouldn't even classify your views as an opinion, since facts/reality are polar opposite, so I guess we can call that pigheaded. Your incorrect understanding of the constitution is pretty dam scary and it shows through in both of your views. Most liberal/socialists like yourself believe seatbelt laws are great (gonna save you from you), yet won't let states decide for themselves weather or not they want to outlaw abortion, I've already pointed out why the Roe V. Wade decision was flawed, so I won't rehash that. You really ought to consider another line of work, do yourself a favor and work for greenpeace, PETA or just move to Europe. If you don't understand the constitution, how could you possibly swear to uphold it. I will remind you that you will have to recite this to swear in as an officer:

"I, meshmdz, do solemnly swear, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. (So help me God.)."

Also know that, the vast majority of people who will be your equals or superiors have a much different mindset than you.

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The views you hold on constitution (and Roe V. Wade speaks to that, along with your "living breathing" crap that socialists who don't like this country spew) clearly define you as a socialist who doesn't like this country. I know way too many people like you, everything is always someone else's fault, America's fault, rotten country, racist, etc. etc.. Do what you like, but I will garantee you that you are going to be miserable as an officer. Politics are very telling of your personal attitude and despite your username on GT, you ain't gonna mesh very well as an officer in the military. Just some friendly advice.
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Old 10-23-2008, 21:42   #330
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Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?

No i don't, and here's why, since the liberation of iraq and President Bush put America on the offensive against world terrorism, the democrats have work against every step Bush has taken to keep terrorist on the run and America safe.

The democrats have done everything in their power to ensure a defeat in iraq, and went to great lengths to disgrace our troops and country in front of the eyes of the world while our troops were dying on the streets of iraq. Murtha has said our troops are to tired and can't take it, harry ried said "the war in iraq is lost" the democrats have went as far as calling our troops terrorist.

The democrats have try to block and handcuff President Bush's effort to track world terrorist and terrorist cells across the globe in order to keep America safe, and Bush has kept America safe in spite of the democrats. Democrats have side with the terrorist with their actions and and treasonous hoopla in a effort to sabotage the iraq war.


America now has the most liberal voting senator running for President, this is the guy that's going to get the call in the middle of the night or while attending a charity event, and be told that a crisis has just occurred.

Barrack hussan obama, Joe "the brain" biden, harry "the body" Reid, and Nancy "stretch" pelosi are going to get together with all their liberal democrat majority friends, and come up with a plan to defend or act to protect America, whether to use military force, or to take a firm stance on aggression. You can't vote present then.


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Old 10-30-2008, 18:24   #331
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PAGunner, thanks for your advice. I think I will be a great officer because I want to serve my country and learn from my NCO's all the while doing my mission free of any political thought I may or may not hold. We all have to leave politics at the door and support our leader in the military. I can do that. Obama or McCain - I will follow our new leader and do as he wishes to the best of my abilities.
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Old 11-04-2008, 00:09   #332
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thanis - if the Republicans have done so much for the pro life agenda, then why has the rate of documented abortions all across the United States continued to stay the same over Bush's tenure in office?...
Even if true, # of abortions, it is not a fact that is important to the issue. Both pro-life and pro-abortion that all that is needed is one more pro-life SC judge, and the decision will be overturned.

Long ago, Regan appointed a SC justice that changed their position on the issue one a SC judge. Since then each side (D & R) have appointed SC judges that have fallen into line on this issue.

Many dances around the truth trying to prove the case one way or the other for their point of view (what Republicans have done). But the truth is a matter of court cases and public record. If you have any doubt, contact the various orgs on both sides of the issues, and they all know it to be true (and it is one of the few things they both agree on).

It is possible to argue the R & D use this issue to get votes (and it is often an issue they personally differ with on a personal level). Again, I really don't like talking about this issue on this forum, but I can't let such obvious PC BS go. It is clear from the appointment process to the case records what has happened the last 20 or so years concerning the SC and this issue.

IMO, it is intellectual dishonesty and counter to liberal philosophy to state abortion is a Constitutional right. Same goes for many 2A issues. The courts should not be law makers, and if this issue has the political will to be a federal issue, an amendment should be written and voted on. If not it belongs at the state level (in the case or abortion) or is covered under 2A (regarding firearms issues).

The man that wins tomorrow will appoints 1 - 2 SC judges (very likely 2 if a Democrat wins). It will deside this issue (abortion as a right) for the next 20 years.

As far the question asked in this tread, I maintain he is still qualified. I may not vote for him, but he appears to be as qualified as required per the law. If he has the votes, nothing else is needed.

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Old 11-04-2008, 09:37   #333
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Thanis, a very well stated opinion sir.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:17   #334
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As far the question asked in this tread, I maintain he is still qualified. I may not vote for him, but he appears to be as qualified as required per the law. If he has the votes, nothing else is needed.
Yep, BHO is technically qualified to be president, like most other people in this country who are of the required age.

Ironically, BHO wouldn't have a prayer of getting a top secret level security clearance, with his connections and previous hard drug use. Hell, Obama couldn't even get a job with the local PD, but he is technically qualified to be commander in chief.... Of course being qualified and being a good choice are two very different things.
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Do you think Barack Obama has the necessary qualities to be President?

Legally? Old enough? I believe he is thirty five years old. Natural born citizen (born in US owned territory)?. I have no idea whether he was born in Kenya, and immediately brought to Hawaii as his recently deceased grandmother claimed, or if he was actually born in Hawaii, as his supporters claim.

Experience wise? Not even close. Not even in the ball park. No experience even remotely related to what is necessary to be a successful executive, much less President.

Intelligent enough? Yes, I don't doubt he is smart enough. If that were all it took, we would be in good shape as everything about how he has run his campaign shows he is smart.

Dedicated enough? I don't know. He sure didn't put much into the job of Senator after telling the people of Illinois what he would do for them if they elected him. Of course, how much can you do in 183 days?

Honest enough? If credibility, and not being caught in lies, or constantly changing what you say, means anything, no. But, credibility and honesty don't get the respect they used to get. I guess it depends on who you are asking. For me, it matters, and Obama has a credibility problem.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:20   #336
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I am sorry, BHO's admitted history is cloudy enough to prevent him from surviving a background check to be a grounds keeper at The White House. He has not supplied paperwork supporting his aid's claim that he was born in Hawaii, nor has he offered any school transcripts or opinions or papers from Law Revue days. The people of IL got a double-wammy from him, as there is no record of his authoring/co-authoring any bills/laws - and he continued that to his current 143 day stint in the Senate. He went on record four times voting against a Chicago suburb allowing gun ownership in the home, however, a fallout of the '04 case against a homeowner who shot a burgler the second time he burgled the house. The homeowner faces 1-3 yr in prison. Obama's opinion on private ownership of handguns - and firearms in general - has been well documented. Despite 93+ votes of 'Present!' during his short actual tenure as a Federal Senator, BHO earned the most liberal senator position.

Obama, and Rev. Wright, terrorist-turned-instructor Bill Ayers, etc, all voted at the same site this AM. Obama took 15 minutes, probably, as opined by Rush Limbaugh minutes ago, because he was looking for his familiar 'Present' voting choice. Don't get me wrong, I am not thrilled by my choice - it's just odd that our Republican candidate rates as more liberal than JFK did. The majority of his 'planks' are similar to mine - and we share, him in a horrific way, our veteran status - of a much less friendly time. I don't feel he deserves the Presidency due to his unfortunate incarceration - but his many years in the senate are a definite plus - he has made his feelings know - repeatedly. He also has a 'National Treasure' in Sarah Palin, but that's another story. No, BHO doesn't have the experience.

Well, it'll all be over in just hours now. Wed AM may see me call him 'Mr. President'. Whoever it is, he will have my support.

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Old 11-04-2008, 15:33   #337
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NO I do not.

Plus, he hasn't proven he is a natural born citizen either. What's up with that? Too many unknowns with this yahoo for him to be leading this great country of ours.
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Doesn't matter now.

Stock up on ammo, prepare for revolution.

You have 75 days as I type this....
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Hey,you all,,,,,,,, since I cannot shoot semi-autos anymore,I have 2 glocks and a .45 Taurus for sale. the Glocks are a 17 w/6 hi-caps and a 26 w/3 mags. One of them is a Pierce grip+1. All fo the low price of $250,000.00 U.S. dollars. Na,not that much. All for $1500,includes ammo and inpant holsters if you need some in Nebraska. I am disabled and on SSDI because of my health. Cant go back to work anymore. 17z
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Hey,you all,,,,,,,, since I cannot shoot semi-autos anymore,I have 2 glocks and a .45 Taurus for sale. the Glocks are a 17 w/6 hi-caps and a 26 w/3 mags. One of them is a Pierce grip+1. All fo the low price of $250,000.00 U.S. dollars. Na,not that much. All for $1500,includes ammo and inpant holsters if you need some in Nebraska. I am disabled and on SSDI because of my health. Cant go back to work anymore. 17z
There might come a time when that would be a bargain for them. Look at what some full auto weapons go for now that you could buy for $400 and a $200 tax stamp before that ban. It's not because full auto weapons are inherently more valuable than semi-auto, it's because there just aren't many available.
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