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Old 11-23-2008, 19:03   #51
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You don't answer any of my statements directly. I show you a IRS spreedsheet showing the taxes people pay in each bracket and you still don't believe it. FYI, The numbers for deductins are right on the 1040 form. I know, that I know, that I pay taxes when I make under 60K. I have written a check for $12K one year. You can argue about deductions all you want. My reality is what I get on my taxes every year. And the accountants I use are not idiots, and many have gone back to recheck previous years just to see if there are any deductions I could have taken. I am done argueing with you. You clearly think you know everything so it's pointless.

Edit: I just realized I am arguing with someone who doesn't even know where to find the standard deductions for income on his tax forms. And is arguing about Clintion for some reasone, Never mentiond him myself. He also won't produce the supposed table that shows no one making under 60K a year pays taxes.
CO - you arent going to change the SGM's mind. Even though he is WRONG about people that make UNDER 60k a year paying taxes (total bull**** by the way), he wont admit it and will not believe the truth in regards to the same.
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Old 11-24-2008, 20:12   #52
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If you make more moeny in this nation, then you owe it to the nation that afforded you the chance to make that money, to pay a little more in taxes... its just fairness. it is NOT fair for people who barely make it to pay more taxes in ratio to their income than the rich capitalists do that explicitly ABUSE and EXPLOIT the labour of the working class
Do you mean that they need to pay more as in higher % of their income/profit, or do you mean that they should pay the same % as everyone else and there for making more money means more taxes proportionally?

Does one have to pay taxes on welfare checks/food stamps and claim them as income? Or do they just claim the earned income credit and dependents and get free money? Sounds fair to me.
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Old 11-24-2008, 20:18   #53
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Also he is only half black. I guess you could call him a HALFrican-American
He's not even half black. His great-great grandfather was black. He is actually 50% black, from his mother (Barry hates being part white, read his book) 43.75% Arabic and....get this, are you ready....6.25% black.....6.25%.
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Old 11-25-2008, 10:33   #54
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Do you mean that they need to pay more as in higher % of their income/profit, or do you mean that they should pay the same % as everyone else and there for making more money means more taxes proportionally?

Does one have to pay taxes on welfare checks/food stamps and claim them as income? Or do they just claim the earned income credit and dependents and get free money? Sounds fair to me.
Those that can afford to pay more, need to pay more IMO.

People that are on welfare and food stamps are there bc they are in dire circumstances financially, so they would not be paying taxes on their food stamps.
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Those that can afford to pay more, need to pay more IMO.
So you think that people who make a good living and succeed financially in life, and they can "afford to pay more" then they should give more to the government and underachievers. God I hope you never get in the position to make decisions because that is a poor one. IMHO

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People that are on welfare and food stamps are there bc they are in dire circumstances financially, so they would not be paying taxes on their food stamps.
Get informed man. A great portion of people on welfare and food stamp programs are mooching and leeching off society with no real ambition to get a real job and make a place in the world. Warrant there are many that need this program due to physical limitation, disability, inablity to mentally function in society, but alot mooch. The whole system needs to be reformed. There are no incentives to got a real job. It really upsets me that my cousing has 2 kids, and makes as much as I do per month and I am in the health care field, and there is no reason for her to get a job when the government pays for her to sit at home. oh yeah and they pay for a babysitter for her to go out on the weekends. Then she gets more money when April rolls around. BS INHO
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So you think that people who make a good living and succeed financially in life, and they can "afford to pay more" then they should give more to the government and underachievers. God I hope you never get in the position to make decisions because that is a poor one. IMHO
I am so sick of people saying "get informed". Like they are the ONLY ones who know anything.

BTW, We have a progressive tax code now. So he is not saying anything other then supporting the existing tax code.
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Old 11-27-2008, 22:45   #57
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I am so sick of people saying "get informed". Like they are the ONLY ones who know anything.

BTW, We have a progressive tax code now. So he is not saying anything other then supporting the existing tax code.
Thank you CO. The progressive tax code is the fairest way IMO. People want to post like they know everything and anyone who disagrees posts nothing but "BS".
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Also, people who "choose" to live on welfare and foodstamps dont have it 'good' like many people who work like to say.. it just makes them feel better about themselves and their stance. if someone is lazy and doesnt want to work, fine. they choose to live a ****ty life. Living off of food stamps and a measly welfare check is NOT living the high life like many want to post...
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Hey people, I started this tread to bring out and expose all those naive idiots that were OBAMA supporters, these are the people who voted for, 500 percent excise tax on ammo, assault weapons ban, ban on foreign ammo, registration and control of handguns, repealing CCW, and a vote against the NRA. These are little people stuck in some small time job looking for revenge and something for nothing for their lack of success they have accomplished with their life and their jobs, these types of people should not even own a gun. When their leader imposes these sanctions they will not even be able to afford the ammo for their guns.

What I would suggest is they should try again to establish the failed AIR AMERICA, Al Franken will need a job, and spout their views on world events, to their likes, AND stay off of a site that their LEADER would be totally against.

Even their Leader is going to go back on his promise to them to immediately raise the tax on the rich, rumors from his chief of staff is he will wait till Bush tax cuts expire at the end off 2010, he knows the market is in trouble, our economy is run by the market, and the MARKET IS RUNNED BY THE RICH. Tax the rich and market goes south.

As Ron Emanuel said pertaining to Assualt weapon ban, We Are Going To Do It Right This Time And There Will Be No Sunset, IT WILL BE PERMANENT.

This is the Man, when asked, said his two greatest accomplishments while in the Clinton Administration, said the Assualt Weapons Ban and NAFTA.

SUPPORT THE NRA, they will need your help to defeat OBAMA and his LIBERAL CRONIES , on this ANTI GUN LEGISLATION.

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Old 11-28-2008, 15:30   #60
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Hey people, I started this tread to bring out and expose all those naive idiots that were OBAMA supporters, these are the people who voted for, 500 percent excise tax on ammo, assault weapons ban, ban on foreign ammo, registration and control of handguns, repealing CCW, and a vote against the NRA. These are little people stuck in some small time job looking for revenge and something for nothing for their lack of success they have accomplished with their life and their jobs, these types of people should not even own a gun. When their leader imposes these sanctions they will not even be able to afford the ammo for their guns.

What I would suggest is they should try again to establish the failed AIR AMERICA, Al Franken will need a job, and spout their views on world events, to their likes, AND stay off of a site that their LEADER would be totally against.

Even their Leader is going to go back on his promise to them to immediately raise the tax on the rich, rumors from his chief of staff is he will wait till Bush tax cuts expire at the end off 2010, he knows the market is in trouble, our economy is run by the market, and the MARKET IS RUNNED BY THE RICH. Tax the rich and market goes south.

As Ron Emanuel said pertaining to Assualt weapon ban, We Are Going To Do It Right This Time And There Will Be No Sunset, IT WILL BE PERMANENT.

This is the Man, when asked, said his two greatest accomplishments while in the Clinton Administration, said the Assualt Weapons Ban and NAFTA.

SUPPORT THE NRA, they will need your help to defeat OBAMA and his LIBERAL CRONIES , on this ANTI GUN LEGISLATION.
If you are going to make a point, or attempt to, please get the person's name correct....

You meant to say Rahm Emanuel.

It just makes your argument appears weak when you cant even get the guy's name right.
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Sorry, He is just not that important to me,to remember his first name, I see you got the message anyway, you hypocritical trader, my Point has been made, I support the NRA and ALL GUN RIGHTS, UNLIKE YOU. Go post on the OSLMA WEBSITE, did I get the name right.Get the POINT.

My next Thread will be how meshmdz voted for suppressing the gun industry and gun owners rights.

People get out there and get what you NEED now,ESPECIALLY AMMO,WHILE EVERYTHING IS LEGAL and COST EFFECTIVE, before people like meshmdz and his leaders PROHIBIT YOU from doing so. These are dangerous people who want to suppress your rights.


Support The NRA, they need your help to fight these people.

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Also, people who "choose" to live on welfare and foodstamps dont have it 'good' like many people who work like to say.. it just makes them feel better about themselves and their stance. if someone is lazy and doesnt want to work, fine. they choose to live a ****ty life. Living off of food stamps and a measly welfare check is NOT living the high life like many want to post...

But it isnt fair that people who "choose" to live on welfare get to mooch off my hard earned dollar.
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But it isnt fair that people who "choose" to live on welfare get to mooch off my hard earned dollar.
I despise people who choose NOT to work. However, in the USA, the government isnt going to just people starve, for better or worse.
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You are right on 2 counts.

1. middle class americans will NOT see a tax reduction. President Obama never said so... he said your taxes wont go UP and they wont under his plan.
if you make more than $200,000 and less than $250,000 - you will get money back. if yo umake MORE then $250,000 - you WILL pay more. as you should.

Based on what you've said, I think either you don't understand the system, or I didn't see your sarcasm.

"As you should"? You know "rich" people pay more taxes, both in dollars and percentage, than those in lower tax brackets currently, right? And you know that Obama's plan is to RAISE current taxes on anyone and any entity that makes more than $200-250k (depending on which speech you believe), right?

And even Obama admitted to Charlie Gibson that higher taxes equals LESS government revenues, and that he was only raising taxes on "the rich" to - in his words - "be fair"?

Why should the fortunate and profitable, hard-working folks in this country be penalized greater than they are? Why should punishment be handed down to those who risked everything to attain their positions in life? And more importantly, who ever said life was "fair"?

You work your hind-quarters off, and you will live well in this country by other countries standards. You study hard, work hard, and take some risks, you may do well, even by our own standards. If you study hard, work hard, take some risks, and learn from your failures... there is no limit to the success you may attain.

This is the principles upon which this country was founded. Other countries have been founded on the principle of "to each according to his need, from each according to his ability." Yet people immigrate TO the US, not from it. Telling, if you'd care to pay attention.

The problem, then, is that too many in this country lack the intestinal fortitude to actually dig deep and earn their rewards. Too often, they have grown up with rewards for mediocrity, and have grown to expect more for less. Since they are unwilling to earn what they feel entitled to, they feel it is OK to take from those who have earned it - just like mommy taught them in grade school.
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Based on what you've said, I think either you don't understand the system, or I didn't see your sarcasm.

"As you should"? You know "rich" people pay more taxes, both in dollars and percentage, than those in lower tax brackets currently, right? And you know that Obama's plan is to RAISE current taxes on anyone and any entity that makes more than $200-250k (depending on which speech you believe), right?

And even Obama admitted to Charlie Gibson that higher taxes equals LESS government revenues, and that he was only raising taxes on "the rich" to - in his words - "be fair"?

Why should the fortunate and profitable, hard-working folks in this country be penalized greater than they are? Why should punishment be handed down to those who risked everything to attain their positions in life? And more importantly, who ever said life was "fair"?

You work your hind-quarters off, and you will live well in this country by other countries standards. You study hard, work hard, and take some risks, you may do well, even by our own standards. If you study hard, work hard, take some risks, and learn from your failures... there is no limit to the success you may attain.

This is the principles upon which this country was founded. Other countries have been founded on the principle of "to each according to his need, from each according to his ability." Yet people immigrate TO the US, not from it. Telling, if you'd care to pay attention.

The problem, then, is that too many in this country lack the intestinal fortitude to actually dig deep and earn their rewards. Too often, they have grown up with rewards for mediocrity, and have grown to expect more for less. Since they are unwilling to earn what they feel entitled to, they feel it is OK to take from those who have earned it - just like mommy taught them in grade school.
You are trying to make sense to a young, brainwashed, soon-to-be college graduate with ZERO life experience. He drank the kool-aid his professors gave him and took it as gospel.

On Thanksgiving day I had the opportunity to talk to the daughter of some friends in Colorado. Her parents are VERY wealthy.

I last saw her two years ago, just as she was graduating high school. Now a College sophomore, she is a raging liberal idiot. I could respect her, but she started talking about Obama's "change" and how he was going to "fix" things. Not surprisingly, she could not name one thing that he was actually going to change. Just like our young friend here that you are arguing with (and Colorado 4 wheel) they BOTH fail to do their home work and think for themselves. I am quite convinced they are both plants from the Democrat Underground.
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I despise people who choose NOT to work. However, in the USA, the government isnt going to just people starve, for better or worse.
We have churches and other civic organizations that can take care of the career welfare recipients. There is no reason why many of the people on the government tit are not working for themselves.

Yes, there are times where people need help and we should do that. We should not be paying for crack whores to have more babies. We should not be giving drug addicts SSI.

Until we break the cycle, there will always be people in line waiting with their hand out.
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How many people in the bottom 50% of income earners create wealth by starting businesses and hiring people? None.

Tax the people who actually do create wealth and they lose any incentive for expanding and creating more wealth.

Then fewer people get jobs....
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You are trying to make sense to a young, brainwashed, soon-to-be college graduate with ZERO life experience. He drank the kool-aid his professors gave him and took it as gospel.

On Thanksgiving day I had the opportunity to talk to the daughter of some friends in Colorado. Her parents are VERY wealthy.

I last saw her two years ago, just as she was graduating high school. Now a College sophomore, she is a raging liberal idiot. I could respect her, but she started talking about Obama's "change" and how he was going to "fix" things. Not surprisingly, she could not name one thing that he was actually going to change. Just like our young friend here that you are arguing with (and Colorado 4 wheel) they BOTH fail to do their home work and think for themselves. I am quite convinced they are both plants from the Democrat Underground.
I, too, was once a raging lunatic recent college grad and hard-core liberal. Worst ten minutes of my life (and the girl I was trying to impress blew me off anyway... )

That said, speaking sense WILL convert some. It may take time to root, but the seeds must be planted before the crop can grow.
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I, too, was once a raging lunatic recent college grad and hard-core liberal. Worst ten minutes of my life (and the girl I was trying to impress blew me off anyway... )

That said, speaking sense WILL convert some. It may take time to root, but the seeds must be planted before the crop can grow.
Plant the seed. He is certainly covered in enough B.S. it should take root.
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Plant the seed. He is certainly covered in enough B.S. it should take root.
So because I dont agree with you or right-wing causes, I am a fool or wrong???
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No.
It is quite possible to be wrong without being a fool.
Granted there is a fine line but it's all in the technique.

I would say that to continue to hold a position even when given a preponderance of evidence/history that shows otherwise would have one leaning in the general direction of 'fool'.
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You are right on 2 counts.

1. middle class americans will NOT see a tax reduction. President Obama never said so... he said your taxes wont go UP and they wont under his plan.
if you make more than $200,000 and less than $250,000 - you will get money back. if yo umake MORE then $250,000 - you WILL pay more. as you should.
2. yes, President Obama will be paying more taxes as his salary will be $250,000 a year.

Why should you pay more (higher %) taxes for just because you work harder and make more money? I say tax the non-working lazy azzes a higher % and then they might want to do a little better for themselves. And no, I don't personally make more than $250K a year.....but if I did, I should not be taxed a higher percentage than someone making $100K......Think about it...punish someone for making a better life for themself? DUH
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Dont worry all those middle class chumps that voted for this idot will have their taxes raised just as Clinton did to the middle class to pay for all this money he will be printing.
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Why should you pay more (higher %) taxes for just because you work harder and make more money? I say tax the non-working lazy azzes a higher % and then they might want to do a little better for themselves. And no, I don't personally make more than $250K a year.....but if I did, I should not be taxed a higher percentage than someone making $100K......Think about it...punish someone for making a better life for themself? DUH
see thats just it MEATHEAD (great name ) the lie that you are spoon-fed is that "if ya werk hard in this ****ry u'll make alotta muney" is that how those ****heads that flew to DC in their million dollar jets made it to the top? did they bust their ass in the shop with the thousands of other americans? or did they **** over co-workers in a dog eat dog society that allowed them to **** over people who invested in the companies? i guess you think Madoff on wall Street worked hard too right??? i mean its tough work lying to people and stealing from them isnt it. I mean you gotta stay up late at night working out ways to not get caught throwing away peoples' entire life savings.... get a clue. just because you WORK HARD doesnt mean you make MORE money. tell that to teachers, cops, firemen, soldiers, etc... they work harder than many others and they arent half as rich as some of the ****heads who live on wall street embezzling investors' lifesavings...
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see thats just it MEATHEAD (great name ) the lie that you are spoon-fed is that "if ya werk hard in this ****ry u'll make alotta muney" is that how those ****heads that flew to DC in their million dollar jets made it to the top? did they bust their ass in the shop with the thousands of other americans? or did they **** over co-workers in a dog eat dog society that allowed them to **** over people who invested in the companies? i guess you think Madoff on wall Street worked hard too right??? i mean its tough work lying to people and stealing from them isnt it. I mean you gotta stay up late at night working out ways to not get caught throwing away peoples' entire life savings.... get a clue. just because you WORK HARD doesnt mean you make MORE money. tell that to teachers, cops, firemen, soldiers, etc... they work harder than many others and they arent half as rich as some of the ****heads who live on wall street embezzling investors' lifesavings...
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Success comes to those who understand that risk and failure are part of life. Raising your station in life - the one you were handed when you were born - may or may not be your goal. If it is - AND YOU WORK HARD AT IT - you will succeed. You don't have to achieve billionaire to succeed.
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