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Old 11-02-2008, 13:32   #1
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Why is the .40S&W unpopular?

I, for one, have only .40S&W Glocks because I love the caliber.

I've already did the 9mm and .45ACP gig, and felt that the 40 is more fun to shoot. I laugh at the "snappiness".

So please tell me, with most giving up on the .40S&W, why do you still love it?
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Old 11-02-2008, 17:50   #2
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I don't believe most people have given up on the 40. There is a vocal minority of people who don't like the 40 but when Springfield Armorery brought out the XDM recently it was a 40 caliber, likewise the Px4 was developed in 40 before 45 as was the FNP. This suggests to me that the respective marketing depts of those companies thought the 40 should come out first.

Edit: the 32 and 27 listed below are not my only 40s, I also own the SIG 229 and 239 and will be picking up a slightly used USPc in 40 later this month. I don't care what the detractors of the 40 say.
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Old 11-02-2008, 18:05   #3
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More felt recoil than a .45 acp.

Not as effective as a .45 acp.

So there is your answer.

I have one because I have to for the SO.
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Old 11-02-2008, 18:09   #4
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I liked it. Still do. But I picked up a 10mm and have a .45acp, also. I really have no need for the .40S&W now since I grabbed the 10mm. So I'm converting mine to a 9mm.
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Old 11-02-2008, 18:10   #5
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Free forty - five.

A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety. Is it dangerous? Absolutely.

'You want a .45 for free? Get 180 grain bullets for your forty. There's your .45.
Get a Milt Sparks HN-55 holster and Speer Golddot hollow point bullets. Make the rest of it up yourself. Just remember that the minute you disrespect that Glock pistol it kills you, maims you, or kills an innocent.
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Old 11-03-2008, 12:16   #6
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A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety.

Word.......
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Old 11-03-2008, 17:45   #7
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40 s&w

I traded a 21 for a 23 I just like the way it feels. Now if hey start making a compact 45 I may go back till then the 40 does a good job.
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Old 11-03-2008, 18:04   #8
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there's lotsa love for the .40 in LE arenas. Also, just because not all on GT bows to the .40cal pistol god doesn't mean squat. It's very popular with competition shooters also. Gimmie my family of 4 any day of the week.

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Old 11-03-2008, 20:36   #9
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...Not as effective as a .45 acp...

Okay, I guess I'll be the one to open Pandora'a Box...

Do you have any real data to back that up or is that simply your opinion based on your experiences and preferences?

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Old 11-03-2008, 20:36   #10
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went from 40 to 9mm. many more lead injection options with 9mm than with 40.
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Old 11-03-2008, 21:45   #11
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Old 11-03-2008, 22:38   #12
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I'm currently selling my .357Sig Glocks and moving to .40
The .40 has a good range of bullets to pick from 135gr-180gr.
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Old 11-03-2008, 23:05   #13
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I'm currently selling my .357Sig Glocks and moving to .40
The .40 has a good range of bullets to pick from 135gr-180gr.
Why are you selling them mongo356? All you need to do is buy the corresponding size 40 barrel for $129 + shipping in most cases.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:55   #14
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A Glock23 forty is a 14 shot forty-five that weighs two thirds as much as a 1911 and has no grip or thumb safety. Is it dangerous? Absolutely.
In addition a G27 is 9+1 shots is an even smaller/lighter package. Carried with a G23 mag with or without Glock +2 extension and A&G grip sleeve as a backup magazine you have IMO an even more concealable but just as effective CCW package.
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Old 11-04-2008, 11:09   #15
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Cost. I get a lot more range time with my 9mm. More range time improves my skills and therefore the added benefits of .40 SW are negated overall.

I also own .45 ACP pistols, so why introduce something in between? Just for fun?

I own a G22 but I rarely shoot in in .40 SW as it is my 9mm threaded barrel host. Compared to other rounds in which I keep ammo stocked, I have 100 rounds of 9mm to every single round of .40 at home.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:24   #16
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Why are you selling them mongo356? All you need to do is buy the corresponding size 40 barrel for $129 + shipping in most cases.
They are for LE use (serial #'s) and just incase an attorney might make stink out of a different barrel in wrong gun.
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Old 11-04-2008, 14:01   #17
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All calibers and all guns are a compromise of one factor or another of competing objectives.

Forty is not known for being a very enjoyable caliber to shoot because it is very "snappy" in feel (as compared to forty-five, for example). A lot of folks don't particularly like the snappy feel of forty.

Most who consider .40 will be comparing it to the "gold standard" pistol defense caliber, .45 acp. Compared to .45acp, guns chambered in forty tend to have a little better capacity without a huge loss in stopping power, and forty can be a little less costly to shoot than .45. These can be good reasons to choose forty, if you can find a platform that you like shooting forty caliber with. But I still find .45acp more enjoyable to shoot and would prefer to defend myself with a .45 than with a .40. I do like high capacity, however. Now we get even deeper into the world of compromise... capacity vs. potency.

I can see both 9mm and .45 acp as somewhat better choices, but for different reasons.

A G19 with 15 rounds of hot 9mm on board is an excellent defense gun, great capacity for it's size, relatively economical to shoot, and very enjoyable to shoot. But potency really isn't up to .45 acp! Still, well placed 9mm +P defense bullets can be very effective indeed.

A G21 with 14 rounds of .45 acp on board is also an excellent defense gun and very enjoyable to shoot. Excellent potency, very good capacity, but not great as a CCW gun, though do-able for some people.

My G23 is not so enjoyable to shoot and has been ever so slightly less reliable than my 19, 30, and 21SF, but it does have good capacity and stopping power for it's size. Not a bad choice, not great either. Numerous compromises involved here.

Forty can be viewed as having better capacity and a little less expensive to shoot than .45, and better power than .9mm.

Forty can also be viewed as worse capacity than 9mm, more costly to shoot than 9mm, and less power than .45!

Is the glass half full or half empty? You decide that.

That said, it is a reasonable choice in caliber, if you can find a platform which you enjoy shooting it in.

For forty, I've got a couple of Browning Hi-Powers in .40, an M&P 40 Compact, a G23, and most recent acquisition, an STI Edge in .40. Of them all, the G23 is the least enjoyable to shoot, I really don't like shooting it at all - compared to other choices. My G29 and G23 are my least favorite Glocks simply because they are not as enjoyable to shoot as my G19, G30, and G21SF.

The Hi-Power forty, M&P 40C, and Edge all handle .40 surprisingly comfortably. But the Edge is by far the nicest shooting .40 I can imagine, due to it's size, weight and build quality... so smooth, so stable, and great capacity (17-rnds in the standard mag, 20-rnds in slightly extended mag).

Competition shooters typically choose the Edge in 40 and shoot the lightest loadings they can get by with that still qualify as major. Light .40 loadings are more enjoyable to shoot for most people than full power forties... especially in a luxury gun like the Edge. I choose my Edge for defense duty, however.

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Old 11-04-2008, 14:32   #18
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Old 11-04-2008, 21:12   #19
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Thanks for all your input. I feel very narrow minded in just owning Glocks in .40S&W. Maybe later down the line, I'll end up with a G17 or G21SF. But so far the .40S&W adds a little spice to my shooting sessions.

I guess I'm that guy with the one gun.

Thanks again! Please continue on your thoughts on the caliber.
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Old 11-05-2008, 01:32   #20
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Also depends on where you live. Here in Tulsa the .40 is popular cause you can find plethora of ammo in various types and flavors. Also there is a strong 9mm following, but when I go to my local gun store .40's are being bought almost all the time. I know my local police supply sells M&P .40's 5 to 1 over the M&P 9.
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