[farnhamj]

If you want to try and understand why others might believe something different then listen to CNN and others. They have you just were they want you if you don't listen to anything but one source for your information.

I'm all up for listening to more than one take on info, but of all the choices out there, to mention CNN is a joke. They have some of the most liberal left-winged BS there is to spew on the public. At least with FOX, some shows look at and analyse both views while CNN, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, try to cram some pretty hefty junk down viewers throats. IMHO

[GlockerMike]

Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

.... If you want to try and understand why others might believe something different then listen to CNN and others. They have you just were they want you if you don't listen to anything but one source for your information.......

Truer words were never spoken, hats off to you for saying it. And here is the result of watching only CNN for your news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

Take the time to watch it all.

[Lady Glock]

Originally Posted by GlockerMike

Truer words were never spoken, hats off to you for saying it. And here is the result of watching only CNN for your news:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mm1KOBMg1Y8

Take the time to watch it all.

Dang...doesn't speak very well for the American people who would go to the polls not knowing anything about the person they are about to vote into office.

[Colorado4Wheel]

It's a Republican John Stuart Show. It happens both ways all the time. Means nothing. All it proves is there are plenty of dumb people in America. Don't forget, McCain still had Joe the Plumber (who is not a plumber but a plumbers apprentice at best) on his stage campaigning for him. Still claiming he was going to buy a business and make 250K a year taxable income. He cant even pull a permit. It's amazing that the country as a whole puts up with that crap. Politicians can make a good case for most of america being like sheep. Tickle my ears and hope you get the most votes. And that goes for BOTH parties. I think they truely think we are stupid. And most the time (all you have to do is read this forum) we prove them right.

Edit: By "read this forum" I don't mean the most recent poster. I am referring to some of the truely bizarre stuff being talked about on this forum lately. It seems very few people have the guts to stand up and say anything. It amazing how when we loose how many have reverted to a very bad place. We live in a democracy, with checks and balances. We have had laws that lawmakers passed latter overturned by the courts. It's a process. Not every event is going to make us happy. But that does not mean we start abandoning the very thing that makes this country great when one thing does not go the way we wanted.

[ragu1macrider]

Originally Posted by Pinki

You support blind Nationalism then? That person didn't like Bush -- he didn't say he didn't like AMERICA. I'm fine with Bush, but I am NOT fine with Obama. Would you support MAO if you were in China during his time? Would you support Castro if you were in Cuba during his time? Do I think Obama is Castro or Mao? Perhaps not, but I think he's foul. I think there are a whole lot of people that are proud of themselves for voting for him. I think they are going to be sorely disappointed. Obama is NOT what America is all about. He is NOT the American way. He's the Socialist Republic way and he is ANTI gun. ANTI GUN is ANTI American. America is about her history, about cowboys, about GUNS, about mavericks! Another Reagan is what we need

[ragu1macrider]

Originally Posted by meshmdz

Hmmm so the vast majority of Americans who voted for Obama "have no clue"??? and Obama is a piece of crap? That really speaks volumes of your character... talking this vile rhetoric about an American President.

Cheerleaders for Pinki

And a for you my friend.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

He had a liar like "Joe the Plumber" as a spokesman.

Huh????

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

We throw words like "Socialist" around and pin them to who we don't like. But we give Republicans and those who support our gun cause (not all republicans of course) a free pass when they do the same thing. The reality is we could hurl these things at anyone we wanted in government. ANYONE. It does not prove your cause or make your view valid. It's a hollow argument because all for them all guilty of the same thing to one degree or another. The reality is the world is Grey. There is very little black and white in our world. Other then killing, extremism (religious, political, they are all bad). Fundamentalism is one of the worst things this World is battling right now. We need to be cautious that we as Americans are not just as extreme as the rest of the world. I lived in between America and Europe till I was 16 (not military, born in Texas). I am constantly surprised at the lack of acceptance or even comfort in discussing opposing views. It seems over the last 20 + years we have become even more polarized as a nation. It’s like we all walk around and say in our minds “If you don’t believe like me I HATE YOU. Then we begin marginalizing people. It’s dangerous. Look what it has done to other nations. Iran for instance was a Persian country taken over by extremist that used HATE as their energy. I have seen what this same process has brought to Europe over the last 20 years. Iran with out the fundamentalism and the hate would be a very different place then it is today.

Your first two sentences lend no credibility to the rest of your post.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

Don't forget, McCain still had Joe the Plumber (who is not a plumber but a plumbers apprentice at best) on his stage campaigning for him. Still claiming he was going to buy a business and make 250K a year taxable income. He cant even pull a permit.

.

This just shows me you have no idea how the trades work. Therefore, nothing you post will hold no weight with me until you show you can get basic facts straight.

[bennwj]

Originally Posted by ChrisVV

The gift that keep on giving.
http://www.youtube.com/v/Ovcdb6csHBE

A friend of mine who voted for this piece of crap called me today to say whats up. I asked him how he's liking his change. You would have thought this guy won the lotto because obama won.

I asked him why he voted for him.

He told me it was time for a change.

And then my favorite bunch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Shmu_...eature=related

They want their taxes (as if they paid any) lowered and "he will give me disability"

[bennwj]

Originally Posted by Colorado4Wheel

It's a Republican John Stuart Show. It happens both ways all the time. Means nothing. All it proves is there are plenty of dumb people in America. Don't forget, McCain still had Joe the Plumber (who is not a plumber but a plumbers apprentice at best) on his stage campaigning for him. Still claiming he was going to buy a business and make 250K a year taxable income. He cant even pull a permit. It's amazing that the country as a whole puts up with that crap. Politicians can make a good case for most of america being like sheep. Tickle my ears and hope you get the most votes. And that goes for BOTH parties. I think they truely think we are stupid. And most the time (all you have to do is read this forum) we prove them right.

Edit: By "read this forum" I don't mean the most recent poster. I am referring to some of the truely bizarre stuff being talked about on this forum lately. It seems very few people have the guts to stand up and say anything. It amazing how when we loose how many have reverted to a very bad place. We live in a democracy, with checks and balances. We have had laws that lawmakers passed latter overturned by the courts. It's a process. Not every event is going to make us happy. But that does not mean we start abandoning the very thing that makes this country great when one thing does not go the way we wanted.

Insightful. Coming from somebody who doesnt understand the tax system and wants wealth redistribution.

[meshmdz]

Originally Posted by bennwj

Insightful. Coming from somebody who doesnt understand the tax system and wants wealth redistribution.

SGT, you attack CO but yet you posted a link to wiki in another thread we were debating on... Im confused SGT.

[bennwj]

Originally Posted by meshmdz

Hmmm so the vast majority of Americans who voted for Obama "have no clue"??? and Obama is a piece of crap? That really speaks volumes of your character... talking this vile rhetoric about an American President.

And you haven't said anything disparaging about President Bush.

[bennwj]

Originally Posted by meshmdz

SGT, you attack CO but yet you posted a link to wiki in another thread we were debating on... Im confused SGT.

If those liberal professors that filled your head so full of **** would have taught you to read, you would notice that I included the wiki link so you could go someplace familiar to begin your research.

Dumbass

and it's "Sergeant Major" by the way.........

[meshmdz]

I appreciate your kindness SGM, but we need not call names.

[purpledragonlily]

Originally Posted by meshmdz

McCain = more Bush policies. He voted with the Bush agenda 94% of the time. Change??? Give me a break.

And Obama/Biden voted Dem 96% of the time, so where's the change there? Please.

[kimberguy2004]

Originally Posted by purpledragonlily

And Obama/Biden voted Dem 96% of the time, so where's the change there? Please.

Obama loads his cabinet up with ex-Clintonista. That's change? Right.. The only change we are going to see is the amount of money that goes from our paycheck to the parasites that havn't taken the personal responsibility to make themselves worth more than $8/hr at Taco Bell and are perfectly content to live their lives with their hand out waiting for you to put something in it.

I'm a small business owner and I'm fortunate to be a sole proprietor/employee. If I were faced with either scaling down or bankruptcy, I would be scouring the parking lot for Osama bumper stickers and those morons would be the first to go. If you are one of the many who got taken in by a few slick hollywood production, tele-prompted speeches about hope and change, I really pity you for not having any more intelligence than that. Hussein won because he depended on people who don't have a clue about economics and are simply waiting for the handouts to begin. Obama will be the worst thing to hit our political scene since Jimmy Carter. Sorry folks.. Hussein isn't going to pay your rent, he's not going to keep you in your house, he won't give you cheap gas, and he's not going to pay your credit card off. You're still going to have to get off of your collective asses and do something for yourself..Too bad you weren't a little pickier about what you wished for..

[meshmdz]

Originally Posted by purpledragonlily

And Obama/Biden voted Dem 96% of the time, so where's the change there? Please.

Well, since the Democratic vote was usually DIFFERENT from the Republican way, it IS total change from the way things have been.

McCain voted with Bush. the American people want CHANGE from the way things have been, so they OVERWHELMINGLY voted for Obama and a NEW direction. I cant believe I even had to type this out for you... Figured your intellectual level was high enough to understand that... apparently not..

[17z]

Kimberguy2004,well,I hope you are not talking about peoples who are disabled because of serious health problems like me. I lost my business in 97 when I had a major heart attack and kidney shut down. I was on dailysis for a little over 9 yrs and finally got a kidney transplant. I want to goback to work but,doc says to me I am done working. Especially in the winter when the flu season hits. By the way kimber2004,I was a gunsmith for close to 35 yrs and I liked that job and business I had . I wish I could go back to it. Soplease I know the peoples out there who are on the welfare roles and getting a check each month. Me,I get a small Social Security disability check each month and it is hard to make ends meet. Very small at that. I was used to making over $50,000.00 per year after everything was deducted and paid for. Now,I barely make over $10,000 per year. Now,comprhend on that kimberguy. 17z

[meshmdz]

Originally Posted by 17z

Kimberguy2004,well,I hope you are not talking about peoples who are disabled because of serious health problems like me. I lost my business in 97 when I had a major heart attack and kidney shut down. I was on dailysis for a little over 9 yrs and finally got a kidney transplant. I want to goback to work but,doc says to me I am done working. Especially in the winter when the flu season hits. By the way kimber2004,I was a gunsmith for close to 35 yrs and I liked that job and business I had . I wish I could go back to it. Soplease I know the peoples out there who are on the welfare roles and getting a check each month. Me,I get a small Social Security disability check each month and it is hard to make ends meet. Very small at that. I was used to making over $50,000.00 per year after everything was deducted and paid for. Now,I barely make over $10,000 per year. Now,comprhend on that kimberguy. 17z

Welfare is abused, yes... However, the system DOES HELP many people. So it does NOT need to be done away with.. Its needs reform, yes, but not total disappearance.

[purpledragonlily]

Originally Posted by meshmdz

Well, since the Democratic vote was usually DIFFERENT from the Republican way, it IS total change from the way things have been.

McCain voted with Bush. the American people want CHANGE from the way things have been, so they OVERWHELMINGLY voted for Obama and a NEW direction. I cant believe I even had to type this out for you... Figured your intellectual level was high enough to understand that... apparently not..

52% of the people voted for Obama- 48% DID NOT, that is not overwhelming, that is just enough. The Dem congress has been in control for 2 years with the worst approval rating in history- way lower than Bush. So no, voting Dem is no "change", as Obama has only been in the Senate for a short time, so has been with the Dems while they have been the majority. Is your intellectual level able to follow that? Doubt it since you voted for him.

[bennwj]

Originally Posted by purpledragonlily

52% of the people voted for Obama- 48% DID NOT, that is not overwhelming, that is just enough. The Dem congress has been in control for 2 years with the worst approval rating in history- way lower than Bush. So no, voting Dem is no "change", as Obama has only been in the Senate for a short time, so has been with the Dems while they have been the majority. Is your intellectual level able to follow that? Doubt it since you voted for him.

I think it was funny in 200 and 2004 when President Bush won both of those elections with 51% of the vote the media said the country was "divided". Obama wins with 52% this year and the country is "united".

Although congress had a horrible approval rating, ask the average Joe what he thought about his Senator or representative. His reply would likely be, "My guy is great...the other 534 are screwed up"

[meshmdz]

Look at the number of people who turned out to vote. Far more voted for Obama than did bush or kerry.

The Dems cant get **** done because Bush and his administration hasnt worked with them, by blocking legislation they have put up.

[bennwj]

Originally Posted by meshmdz

Welfare is abused, yes... However, the system DOES HELP many people. So it does NOT need to be done away with.. Its needs reform, yes, but not total disappearance.

Let me give you a perfect example of how the welfare system is broken and in need of overhaul.

My niece has made every bad decision in life that is possible. Dropped out of school, drugs, sex ...you name it.

She had her first child (no father's name on the birth certificate) about two years ago. She had no job, no means of support other than her mom and was on every welfare program New York state and the federal government had.

When I saw her the baby was about 9 months old. She made the retarded statement that she, "wanted another one'. I told her that before she made taxpayers pay for another one, she might want to get a job and get her life in order. She said it was her "right" to have as many as she wanted.

Shortly after that we found out that she was pregnant again. No father on the birth certificate again.

Taxpayers are paying her to have babies. That is wrong. All payments to her should be cut off NOW.

Now, somebody who has worked and is disabled is a different story. If they have no way to provide for themselves then we must, as a people help out.

The system that we currently have traps people in the system.

My niece gets Section 8 housing and only has to pay $50 per month towards her utilities. Food stamps and a welfare check. She is 19 years old and more than capable of working.

Unfortunately she is not the exception. She is the rule when it comes to current welfare recipients.

[bennwj]

Originally Posted by meshmdz

Look at the number of people who turned out to vote. Far more voted for Obama than did bush or kerry.

The Dems cant get **** done because Bush and his administration hasnt worked with them, by blocking legislation they have put up.

But what little legislation they "put up" (proposed is the word you were looking for), has been of the liberal variety and as the President he has not only a right, but a responsibility to support his convictions.

Would you rather have him sign a bill into law against his convictions? It's called character.