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So HSP hires a govt hitman to be their spokesman? Geez! I like Bell and Carlosn stocks better anyway. HSP is over priced krap IMO. Randy Weaver ought to file another suit.
First Cooper goes for the Obamanation, and now HS Precision is featuring an FBI agent who was a Political Correctness enforcer for Clinton and Reno?
Sad to say, Horiuchi committed his Ruby Ridge shooting during the George H.W. Bush administration.
He was acquitted by the Justice Department under Reno...
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Doesn't sound like he works for them. Just wrote the "Endorsement Letter" linked to above.
But boy did they goof. I bet not many there remembered the name Otherwise I just can't imagine that they would have used a letter with his signature block.
Yup, I'm calling it here. HS accidentally messed up. Watch and see how long that letter is associated with any marketing campaign.
Letters sent to HS and NRA. I am not going to pay to see that cowards name and the NRA logo on the same piece of paper. Fk Lon Horiuchi , makes me sick!
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I don't know nor have I done all the research on Ruby Ridge or the legalities before or afterword with any of the parties involved. Everything I have read it appears there's plenty of directions to point fingers.
Lon wrote that letter in the capacity of someone in a project management position at the FBI who was impressed by their products, not someone who loves to use HS products to kill mothers for fun.
They printed the endorsement from the project manager, not from "the sniping god Lon Horiuchi". Same person-yep. Did they see it that way-nope.
So, what is a company to do? Grovel and ask for forgiveness or just recognize the damage is done and move on.
Full disclosure:
I've worked for HS. I loved working there. Shot everything I could get my hands on. They are good people who employ a lot of other good people who try to put out a great product. Did they miss the mark with this-maybe.
No, he didn't ask me to write anything about it. I just wanted to.
Oh, do people realize the catalog with the letter on the back has been out for about a year? Ahh the power of the internet.
Flame suit on.
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
I've got much to be thankful for.
Sad to say, Horiuchi committed his Ruby Ridge shooting during the George H.W. Bush administration.
He was acquitted by the Justice Department under Reno...
That is not at all true. He was never put on trial for any criminal charges by anyone.
He was charged by the state of Idaho with involuntary manslaughter. However, U.S. District JudgeEdward Lodge correctly ruled that a Federal officer performing his duties could not be prosecuted by a state, and the charges were then dismissed. Edward Lodge was a judge appointed by Bush senior to the Federal Courts. His appointment had nothing to do with the Clinton Administration.
On Appeal, the wacky liberal US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in crazy San Francisco later reversed that decision, and said that he could be charged. However, by that time, there was a new prosecutor, and he correctly determined that there was no case against Horiuchi . There was simply not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any crime had been committed. So the charges against Horiuchi were dropped.
I think some of you are confused, as there were civil lawsuits brought against the Federal Government because of the Ruby Ridge incident. While the Federal Government did end up paying out almost three and a half million for these two lawsuits, Horicuchi never had to pay a dime.
You guys who are condemning Horiuchi are truly in great company, as Timothy McVeigh was another gentleman who demonized and condemned Horiuchi, and called for vigilante justice to be taken against him.
It is tragic what happened to Weaver's family. But if he had simply kept his racist neo-Nazi viewpoints to himself, and had never attended any Aryan Nation meetings, the fact is that he would have never come under any law enforcement radar.
I feel sorry for Weaver's dead wife and son, and surviving daughters. But I find it hard to feel sorry for a man with such intense racial hatred in his heart as Weaver has.
You guys who are condemning Horiuchi are truly in great company, as Timothy McVeigh was another gentleman who demonized and condemned Horiuchi, and called for vigilante justice to be taken against him.
It is tragic what happened to Weaver's family. But if he had simply kept his racist neo-Nazi viewpoints to himself, and had never attended any Aryan Nation meetings, the fact is that he would have never come under any law enforcement radar.
Gotta love that First Amendment, huh?
Say whatever you want, as long as I agree with it, or we'll hold you under a magnifying glass and then shoot your wife and kids.
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It is tragic what happened to Weaver's family. But if he had simply kept his racist neo-Nazi viewpoints to himself, and had never attended any Aryan Nation meetings, the fact is that he would have never come under any law enforcement radar.
I feel sorry for Weaver's dead wife and son, and surviving daughters. But I find it hard to feel sorry for a man with such intense racial hatred in his heart as Weaver has.
Lance
Hmm. So would you condemn someone who attended a racist tax-exempt organization for, oh lets say, 20 straight years?
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That is not at all true. He was never put on trial for any criminal charges by anyone.
He was charged by the state of Idaho with involuntary manslaughter. However, U.S. District JudgeEdward Lodge correctly ruled that a Federal officer performing his duties could not be prosecuted by a state, and the charges were then dismissed. Edward Lodge was a judge appointed by Bush senior to the Federal Courts. His appointment had nothing to do with the Clinton Administration.
On Appeal, the wacky liberal US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in crazy San Francisco later reversed that decision, and said that he could be charged. However, by that time, there was a new prosecutor, and he correctly determined that there was no case against Horiuchi . There was simply not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any crime had been committed. So the charges against Horiuchi were dropped.
I think some of you are confused, as there were civil lawsuits brought against the Federal Government because of the Ruby Ridge incident. While the Federal Government did end up paying out almost three and a half million for these two lawsuits, Horicuchi never had to pay a dime.
You guys who are condemning Horiuchi are truly in great company, as Timothy McVeigh was another gentleman who demonized and condemned Horiuchi, and called for vigilante justice to be taken against him.
It is tragic what happened to Weaver's family. But if he had simply kept his racist neo-Nazi viewpoints to himself, and had never attended any Aryan Nation meetings, the fact is that he would have never come under any law enforcement radar.
I feel sorry for Weaver's dead wife and son, and surviving daughters. But I find it hard to feel sorry for a man with such intense racial hatred in his heart as Weaver has.
Lance
ditto
Lon was doing his job. i don't blame the guy nor can judge him for his actions.
oh btw, since everybody has a hardon with the FBI sniper and over the weaver incident. Would you rather have Randy Weaver as spokeperson for HS? And would that make it any better ?
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It is tragic what happened to Weaver's family. But if he had simply kept his racist neo-Nazi viewpoints to himself, and had never attended any Aryan Nation meetings, the fact is that he would have never come under any law enforcement radar.
This is the single most twisted statement I've ever read on this forum.
Lon was doing his job. i don't blame the guy nor can judge him for his actions.
oh btw, since everybody has a hardon with the FBI sniper and over the weaver incident. Would you rather have Randy Weaver as spokeperson for HS? And would that make it any better ?
So it's okay to kill an unarmed woman in her own home as long as you're "just following orders"? That defense didn't work so well for the Nazi's, but apparently works fine here. If we've reached the point to where being an immoral tool is acceptable, this country is spirally towards fubar.
Obviously, neither Randy nor Lou makes for a respectable endorser. AFAIK unless HS is making a commemorative "Ruby Ridge Special" they have plenty of other folks to choose from.
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Oh, do people realize the catalog with the letter on the back has been out for about a year? Ahh the power of the internet.
That is what was amusing to me about this. I wonder how many people really were in the market to buy HS stuff when they threatened to no longer buy their products.
My tastes these days in firearms is decidedly downmarket so Cooper and HS weren't going to get my money anyway so there is no point in me stamping my feet on the internet.
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It is tragic what happened to Weaver's family. But if he had simply kept his racist neo-Nazi viewpoints to himself, and had never attended any Aryan Nation meetings, the fact is that he would have never come under any law enforcement radar.
This is the single most twisted statement I've ever read on this forum.
It is a plain and simple fact, no way you look at it. The government had an informant inside the Aryan Nation. That is how he met Weaver.
Weaver would never have been set up on the charges of sawing off those shotguns, if he had not first come into contact with him via the Aryan Nation.
Weaver is not a very good poster boy for anyone. And that includes gun owners.
If one shares Weaver's racist views about Jews, blacks, and others, then I guess he could be considered to be a role model by such folks.
Say whatever you want, as long as I agree with it, or we'll hold you under a magnifying glass and then shoot your wife and kids.
I've never been concerned over whether you or anyone else have ever agreed with anything I've ever said. Besides, you can shoot my ex-wife any time you want. Just don't try to harm my kids.
And if you try to mess with my son, he would most likely kick your ass big time.
That is not at all true. He was never put on trial for any criminal charges by anyone.
He was charged by the state of Idaho with involuntary manslaughter. However, U.S. District JudgeEdward Lodge correctly ruled that a Federal officer performing his duties could not be prosecuted by a state, and the charges were then dismissed. Edward Lodge was a judge appointed by Bush senior to the Federal Courts. His appointment had nothing to do with the Clinton Administration.
On Appeal, the wacky liberal US Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in crazy San Francisco later reversed that decision, and said that he could be charged. However, by that time, there was a new prosecutor, and he correctly determined that there was no case against Horiuchi . There was simply not enough evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that any crime had been committed. So the charges against Horiuchi were dropped.
I think some of you are confused, as there were civil lawsuits brought against the Federal Government because of the Ruby Ridge incident. While the Federal Government did end up paying out almost three and a half million for these two lawsuits, Horicuchi never had to pay a dime.
You guys who are condemning Horiuchi are truly in great company, as Timothy McVeigh was another gentleman who demonized and condemned Horiuchi, and called for vigilante justice to be taken against him.
It is tragic what happened to Weaver's family. But if he had simply kept his racist neo-Nazi viewpoints to himself, and had never attended any Aryan Nation meetings, the fact is that he would have never come under any law enforcement radar.
I feel sorry for Weaver's dead wife and son, and surviving daughters. But I find it hard to feel sorry for a man with such intense racial hatred in his heart as Weaver has.
Lance
So the feds stuck together to keep one of their own from standing trial and answering for what he did, and letting a jury decide if he was guilty or not
Then they paid over 3 million dollars to "settle" things with Randy Weaver.
Yeah buddy, that sure sounds like he was an innocent man wrongly accused.
Then you have the gall to blame Weaver for being a "racist" as if it matters, then lump anyone who doesn't like this act of evil in with Timouthy McVeigh, then joke about shooting your ex-wife!
You sure you don't work for H-S Precision, because you sure seem to have the same kind of sick and twisted sense of morallity and principles as they do.
You make me wanna puke, you disgusting piece of filth!
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Otherwise I just can't imagine that they would have used a letter with his signature block.
Just don't try to harm my kids.
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