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Old 12-17-2008, 01:19   #1
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New Build...need constructive criticism

I'm thinking about getting this barebones kit for my new build....its going to be stretching my budget and then some.

Shoot some holes in it and try and help me notice anything I might have overlooked. I know I need a CPU cooler, but it looks like everything but cables are included.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...20035&csid=_21
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Old 12-17-2008, 02:31   #2
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besides the price, is there any particular reason why you're going with an AMD over an Intel?
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Old 12-17-2008, 05:20   #3
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What are your plans for this pc? Do you plan to upgrade later? If it is stretching your budget then you might want to hold off.

Things that I would change would be a larger power supply, memory of DDR2 6400 800mhz and if it says OEM then you will possible need cables. OEM do not come with cables but the new motherboard might come with what you need.
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:00   #4
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Man, where to start...

Power supply is definitely a severe weak spot in that build.
I personally think Micro ATX sucks. Its small and cramped, and I just don't like them.
You're also missing an optical drive. (unless you're taking it out of your old PC)
I'm not a huge fan of XFX boards.
Missing an OS, again, assuming you don't already have one.
I've used that case, and one thing you may miss, does this case sit on a desktop, or on/near the floor? The button is pretty low, and plugging in USB devices to it is a bit awkward if its on the floor. On a desktop, this would not be an issue.
I personally like the AMD fans, so I almost always buy boxed processors, but thats not to say there's not some good aftermarket coolers out there.

All things considered, only thing in that list, that I think *MUST* be addressed, is the Power Supply and the need of a HS and fan.

I would just order things as budget allows, unless you have a PC that is about to croak on you. After you're done, this is probably gonna be a $400 PC. If you use a little common sense, You can spend $500 over a period of time, and come out better. I would look at something thats not necessarily a kit, and order components.

Thats just my opinion.

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Old 12-17-2008, 07:14   #5
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It's a cheap case. Don't be suprized if it has sharp edges and the plastic breaks easy. Most of the reviews are good, for an el cheapo.

If you read the review on the page you linked to someone mentioned it is missing a connector for the MB. It's odd that that is the only mention of that.

The MB looks good. As with any low end MB you may have to RMA one or two to get one that works. I have never had to, but I have heard of a bunch that have. It's u-atx so it doesn't have all that many expansion slots. There appears to be room in the case, why didn't they go bigger with the MB?

The graphics card looks good too. May be a bit overkill for a $250 system that already has onboard GPU. Coulda saved $50 and ditched the GC altogether.

I am not a big fan of Hitachi. I have had problems with their HDD in the past.
It should be big enough and fast enough for everyday use.

Overall it looks like a pretty good PC for under $300. I wouldn't call it a "Gaming PC", but no doubt you could play a few on there.
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Old 12-17-2008, 07:16   #6
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Man, where to start...

Power supply is definitely a severe weak spot in that build.
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I forgot to mention that cheap no-name PSU's tend to drop dead without warning at an early age.
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Old 12-17-2008, 12:12   #7
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The other guys have pretty much already hit the nail on the head. I'll just add I'm not a fan of barebone kits. They are cheap for a reason...they have left over parts nobody wants alone in most cases :/

I would buy a decent case that includes a good power supply like Antec or Coolermaster and then pick out the parts you want and it wouldn't be much more and you'll end up with a better system
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Old 12-17-2008, 18:51   #8
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Ok, I did a little revision on this...I'm not going with the kit. I'm sticking with the motherboard, though....I don't have quite the finances I thought I did (I'm basically doing this with Christmas money!) and couldn't quite afford the whole package.

I'm porting all of my drives over to the new system. I'm also re-using my case and fans. I'll post a link to the mobo in a kit that I was going to use...I ditched it because the XFX looks like it'll be more upgradeable in the future. I'm leaving the SATA drive and graphics card out of the equation for the immediate future.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/cgi-bin/shoppingcart.asp
...The new, revised list

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...088&CatId=2417

The mobo in another kit I looking to use. The XFX board has PCI-e 2.0 support, and supports more processors + 1066mhz DDR2, whereas the Biostar doesn't.

The main reason I've been looking at barebones is I see to be able to get more components for cheaper vs. just picking out components.

Software isn't an issue, and yes, I'm doing this somewhat in haste. The system I'm using now is extremely dated, and I've had some issues with my mobo doing some funny stuff (not recognizing drives periodically, etc.)

Price is the ONLY reason I'm going AMD...If I had the cash I'd be dropping a new Intel quad core into my motherboard.
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Old 12-17-2008, 19:13   #9
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I agree with most of what's been posted. Bigger/more reliable PSU. Better RAM (it's soo cheap right now). Seagate, WD hard drive. If I'm not mistaken XFX puts out reference designs for Nvidia and their boards are manufactured by Foxconn along with a bunch of other ones out there. If I were you I would save up for a while longer, $2-3 hundred more could really get you what you want without having to skimp or go to a dead-end platform. Prices are going to go down even further after the holidays and you might be able to really score some deals.
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Old 12-17-2008, 19:34   #10
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Nice avatar, Big Al!

I understand the issues with the power supply, RAM, etc....these are all things I can upgrade down the road. What I'm trying to do right now is put together the best, and most upgradeable, core system I can. Mobo options and future upgradeability are what I'm most concerned about...everything else I can either port from my existing system, or upgrade later.

Peripherals aren't that important for the time being. Right now I'm working with a very dated system that might be failing, and 2-3 hundred bucks more isn't coming any time soon. I've got 200 bucks to work with...I COULD sink it all into the motherboard, but I've got to have something with RAM and a CPU. My power supply is also old, and its only 200w, so I've got to do something about that too.

I should make this a contest...whoever can put together the best motherboard, cpu, and RAM combo for $200 or less shipped gets half my casino cash...how 'bout it?
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Old 12-17-2008, 19:58   #11
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Unfortunately your budget is low. Your PSU is necessary in order to get any sort of performance. So are Mobo, Proc, RAM, and GPU. If that's the deal you want to get then get it, the reason people are warning against it is a lack of upgradeablility. If 2 hundred isn't coming to you on the horizon, then by the time you do go to upgrade it may be a whole system upgrade AGAIN. I've been there. If you absolutely have to buy it, I'd spend money on a good mobo and a celeron to get you by. Basically, my advice is wait.
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Nice avatar, Big Al!

I understand the issues with the power supply, RAM, etc....these are all things I can upgrade down the road. What I'm trying to do right now is put together the best, and most upgradeable, core system I can. Mobo options and future upgradeability are what I'm most concerned about...everything else I can either port from my existing system, or upgrade later.

Peripherals aren't that important for the time being. Right now I'm working with a very dated system that might be failing, and 2-3 hundred bucks more isn't coming any time soon. I've got 200 bucks to work with...I COULD sink it all into the motherboard, but I've got to have something with RAM and a CPU. My power supply is also old, and its only 200w, so I've got to do something about that too.

I should make this a contest...whoever can put together the best motherboard, cpu, and RAM combo for $200 or less shipped gets half my casino cash...how 'bout it?
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Old 12-17-2008, 20:50   #13
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Very impressive! I'm loving that motherboard...

If no one comes up with anything better soon, I do believe you've just won yourself about 30,000 in casino cash.


I managed to modify that a bit to throw in a PSU...had to sacrifice some RAM, but got it done.

I'm not sweating RAM, PSU, CPU etc, because they are cheap to begin with. Power supplies are inexpensive to upgrade, so is RAM, and CPUs are always getting cheaper. If my motherboard supports a higher end CPU, I'll pick that up in a few months or so. If it doesn't, I'm stuck.

I dug the "kits" because they were basically a complete system in need of assembly...but the most complete kit I found in my price range had a dead end motherboard.
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I wouldn't bother with AMD at this point. I have bought quite a few of them in the past (I have 2 athlons sitting in the closet, and two running in the apartment) and they were at the top of their game at one point, but now they're not. I'd buy one or more of their video cards- but not their processors.
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I'd like to buy an Intel, but I can't seem to find a competitively priced motherboard in my price range, stacked up against the AM2 socket offerings. I'm still digging, so I might come up with one, but AMD seems to offer more bang for my buck.
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I wouldn't bother with AMD at this point. I have bought quite a few of them in the past (I have 2 athlons sitting in the closet, and two running in the apartment) and they were at the top of their game at one point, but now they're not. I'd buy one or more of their video cards- but not their processors.
AMD and Intel both make quality CPUs the same as OCZ, Corsair, and GSkill make quality memory. I usually just consult the latest Tom's Hardware charts and see where my best performance per dollar is when I do builds for customers. And more often than not...it's with AMD
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AMD and Intel both make quality CPUs the same as OCZ, Corsair, and GSkill make quality memory. I usually just consult the latest Tom's Hardware charts and see where my best performance per dollar is when I do builds for customers. And more often than not...it's with AMD
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...hmarks,31.html

AMD doesn't even make the top five in many of the benchmarks and tests. Intel also has chips in the top 5-10 that are the same price or cheaper as some of the first listed AMD's. So SOME AMD's are a good deal when you get to the lower end if that's what you're looking for. When using the comparisons by dollar value, usually AMD is not top of the list either (in the >$100 range they manage to come in 5th in some of the tests. Like I said, I used to buy AMD's exclusively right up to the time when the Conroe's came out. Either way, waiting might be the best idea because of changes coming in 2009- unless you just can't wait (and if so I understand).

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http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...hmarks,31.html

AMD doesn't even make the top five in many of the benchmarks and tests. Intel also has chips in the top 5-10 that are the same price or cheaper as some of the first listed AMD's. So SOME AMD's are a good deal when you get to the lower end if that's what you're looking for. When using the comparisons by dollar value, usually AMD is not top of the list either (in the >$100 range they manage to come in 5th in some of the tests. Like I said, I used to buy AMD's exclusively right up to the time when the Conroe's came out. Either way, waiting might be the best idea because of changes coming in 2009- unless you just can't wait (and if so I understand).
The charts prove my point man...first AMD down the list on the first benchmark I clicked was $157...first Intel above it or below was $305 and $190....point proven with a better performance per dollar
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I would look at a few more than just the one. Click on any of the benchmarks, click the less than 100 link, see that AMD is usually not on top.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...0b100,835.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...0b100,815.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...0b100,834.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...0b100,826.html

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I would look at a few more than just the one. Click on any of the benchmarks, click the less than 100 link, see that AMD is usually not on top.

http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...0b100,835.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...0b100,815.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...0b100,834.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/d...0b100,826.html
Dude you are further proving my point lol. Yeah...Intel is on top with a 10,413 score and a $300+ price tag.....and just 5 places down the benchmark is the AMD with a score of 9,039...and a price tag of $99 You are talking about a very minute difference in real world uses. Like I said...more punch per penny
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