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Old 12-22-2008, 10:20   #1
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Laptop Suggestions Appreciated...

Ok Gang:

I am looking for a new laptop since I had sold my old one, and here is what I am looking for:

Core 2 Duo processor
2 GB RAM Minimum
250 HDD Minimum
Dedicated Graphics (of any sort, at least I can replace them later if I wish)
Wireless Chipset compatible with Linux (preferrably one that can do injection)

Looking to spend under 1k.

Would like to stick with Toshiba, Lenovo, ASUS, etc. Not really fond of HPs and Compaqs.

Buying from a Brick and Mortar would be nice, as you actually have the option of returning in the event of dead pixels, etc.

The display is the only thing I am concerned with, as I can fix just about anything else, and the return policy for newegg, tigerdirect, etc is something like 8 dead pixles before they will return it... So 7 dead pixels is ok?

Not with my $1000!

Anyway - Right now, I have this one: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage....=1218010173766

At 599 it's a solid deal - especially with the 9 cell battery included (!), but I'm willing to go up to 1k to get integrated graphics and a more compatible wireless chipset.

What say ye?

Thanks in advance for all the input, fellas.
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Old 12-22-2008, 11:21   #2
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If you like Toshiba then stick to it....IBM PC was a great company...until they was brought by Lenovo. You mention you want a Dedicated Graphics, it's kind of hard to stay under your 1k limit, also most Linux OS will work with almost all major wifi chipset this days.

Finally, all the notebook I see in the market is built with 2gig or more memory and a Dual CPU just to keep up to the spec that is need by the memory hogin' Vista and "New" Window 7....
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Old 12-22-2008, 12:12   #3
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Yes, but not all chipsets support injection under Linux.

The Toshiba is still sealed in the box, and to be honest, if it had dedicated graphics and say an Atheros chipset, it would be perfect. I'm in the process of deciding whether or not to keep the Tosh - also with a card slot, the wireless chipset injection problem can be solved by simply buying a new card, sp the graphics are definitely the bigger issue here...

It's just mildly frustrating that something similar with dedicated graphics can't be found under 1k - or at least nowhere I am looking.

Also, would be nice to stick to C2D, and not simply a dual core processor. Vista is immaterial, as it will probably not last more than a few hours on whichever machine I choose.

In fact, I would take the same machine as the Toshiba with the addition of dedicated graphics and happily pay ~1k for it. It would be worth the extra 400 bucks to have graphics I could change out in the future when the time comes.

Anyone else have any suggestions?

Thanks,

Jim
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Old 12-22-2008, 13:16   #4
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You can get this:
ThinkPad T400 - 1 Yr Depot Warranty
Ships within 9 bus. days**
$1,020.30

Intel Core 2 Duo Processor P8400 (2.26GHz 1066MHz 3MBL2) 25W1
Genuine Windows Vista Home Basic12
14.1 WXGA TFT, w/ CCFL Backlight
ATI Mobility Radeon 3470 with 256MB
2 GB PC3-8500 DDR3 SDRAM 1067MHz SODIMM Memory (2 DIMM)8
UltraNav (TrackPoint and TouchPad)
250 GB Hard Disk Drive, 5400rpm4
CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo 24X/24X/24X/8X Max, Ultrabay Slim (Serial ATA)5
No Bluetooth
ThinkPad 11b/g Wireless LAN Mini PCI Express Adapter III10
Integrated Mobile Broadband upgradable
6 cell Li-Ion Battery60
2764: 1 Year Depot Warranty - TopSeller7

For $20 over your price, and for a lot less than your price if you wait a little bit for them to do another special. Twice this month I've seen 15% off notebook specials for 2-3 days at a time.

ETA: If you want a different wireless card, they have Intel WiFi Link 5100 (AGN) [add $19.00] and Intel WiFi Link 5300 (AGN) [add $38.00] available too.

ETA, again: Found a month long discount: USXHOLIDAY (10% off Thinkpads). Estimated total: $935.37
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Old 12-22-2008, 13:28   #5
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You can't go wrong with Thinkpads. The hardware is top notch. Lenovo's support is a bit... iffy... but they still make good lappys.
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Old 12-22-2008, 13:57   #6
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Assuming you're using Backtrack, I believe Intel is pretty well supported for injection. Question is, which model has an Intel Wireless chipset.
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Old 12-22-2008, 14:22   #7
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Yep, using BT, and it looks like most Intel chipsets are pretty well supported with the exception of the newest ones (5100 AGN, etc).

Atheros has pretty good support too, which is why Toshiba crossed my mind as well. Decent quality, Atheros chipsets... now if I could only find a decently equipped one with dedicated graphics for under 1k, I'd be set.

ETA: The Tosh in my original post has the Intel 5100AGN, which I don't believe has injection support yet, but I'm sure it will soon. That and the integrated graphics makes it pretty much a no-go, despite the otherwise decent specs and the 9 cell battery, which is damn sweet at a price point of 599.

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Old 12-22-2008, 16:41   #8
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Okay, I will bite. I have used linux since Red Hat first came out. What is this "injection" term you are using?? I have NEVER heard this term used in any linux discussion, much less relative to wireless or chipsets. Humor me and tell me what you are talking about. Thank you
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Old 12-22-2008, 17:11   #9
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Injection is the ability to inject packets into network traffic.

Here is a good place to start: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_security

I am doing labs on Wireless security, so injection is a must for me. That being said, wireless is the easiest thing to replace on a laptop.

Plug in a new PC card and go.

Hope this helps.
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Old 12-22-2008, 17:38   #10
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Thanks so much for the explanation. I have to admit that I am very weak in the area of networking, and have always kept my computers as standalone units for security purposes. I will checkout the link you provided.
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Old 12-22-2008, 17:59   #11
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Hmm, I may have answered my own question:

HP HDX16T Series
Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (64-bit)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor P7350 (2.0GHz)
16.0" diagonal High Definition HP Ultra BrightView Infinity Display (1366x768)
4GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
512MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
500GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
Webcam + Fingerprint Reader with HP Imprint Finish (Fluid)
HP Color Matching Keyboard
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support
12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
System Recovery DVD with Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (64-bit)

Total - 997.99 configured as you see above.

Any weaknesses in the above? (beside being an HP of course :P)

What say my GT brethren?

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Old 12-22-2008, 20:21   #12
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Hmm, I may have answered my own question:

HP HDX16T Series
Windows Vista Home Premium with Service Pack 1 (64-bit)
Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo Processor P7350 (2.0GHz)
16.0" diagonal High Definition HP Ultra BrightView Infinity Display (1366x768)
4GB DDR2 System Memory (2 Dimm)
512MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
500GB 5400RPM SATA Hard Drive with HP ProtectSmart Hard Drive Protection
Webcam + Fingerprint Reader with HP Imprint Finish (Fluid)
HP Color Matching Keyboard
Intel Next-Gen Wireless-N Mini-card
LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD+/-RW with Double Layer Support
12 Cell Lithium Ion Battery
System Recovery DVD with Genuine Windows Vista Home Premium (64-bit)

Total - 997.99 configured as you see above.

Any weaknesses in the above? (beside being an HP of course :P)

What say my GT brethren?
Yeah, the word "Home Premium" My only advise is to use "Ultimate" only!
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Old 12-22-2008, 20:32   #13
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Yeah, the word "Home Premium" My only advise is to use "Ultimate" only!
Can you enlighten me a bit as to why only Ultimate?

I am not a Vista guy, and the last laptop I had with Vista, the OS lasted roughly... 2 hours.

Formatted and went XP/Linux.

I am however, keen to hear as to why you would recommend Ultimate over the others. I am assuming it is 64 bit as well?

What do you think of the overall build quality of HP? The specs listed seem to be pretty decent for just under 1k.

Thanks in advance for any insight.

Jim

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